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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#111176: Feb 6th 2016 at 2:05:11 PM

keeping a solid set of Progressive ideals

There are plenty of people who don't trust Clinton on this. See some discussion of her stance about the TTP/TTIP corporate law grabs.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#111177: Feb 6th 2016 at 2:09:07 PM

Clinton is basically a more moderate version of Sanders. Clinton's policy positions are basically Obama's third term, while Sanders wants to pull things farther to the left — replacing Obamacare with a single-payer system, for example. He's also said he'd go after Wall Street and forcibly break up the largest financial institutions (ie, making sure that the whole "too big to fail" thing doesn't happen by taking those companies that are too big and dividing them up into smaller chunks), and has supported things like a nationwide $15/hour minimum wage.

Generally speaking, Clinton's positions are similar, but don't go as far. She wants to strength Obamacare and close the gap between Obama and Medicare (ie, make sure that the people who have too much money to qualify for Medicare but not enough money to afford Obamacare can get insurance) but not replace Obamacare entirely, tighten regulation on Wall Street without actually breaking up banks, and raise federal minimum wage but to $12/hour instead of $15/hour.

edited 6th Feb '16 2:10:38 PM by NativeJovian

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#111178: Feb 6th 2016 at 2:12:25 PM

Also Warren isn't calling herself a Socialist, a label that is toxic to many in the country, and not just because we are all brainwashed savages.

Football is Fucked. Pretty soon we'll have to actually start giving a shit about Soccer outside of the World Cup.

edited 6th Feb '16 2:15:30 PM by JackOLantern1337

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#111179: Feb 6th 2016 at 2:15:01 PM

The people for whom the "socialist" label is a dealbreaker generally aren't the people who'd be voting for Clinton or Sanders in the first place. For good or ill, the country has become so polarized that winning elections at this point is less about swaying undecided voters (who are few and far between at this point), but rather energizing your base and making sure the people who support you actually turn up to vote.

The problem with Sanders is that he's far enough from the political norm that he makes people nervous, which could translate into them not feeling strongly enough to vote for him.

re: caring about soccer, that's already happening. Major League Soccer is a thing, and has teams in a lot of major cities, with more on the way.

edited 6th Feb '16 2:20:33 PM by NativeJovian

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#111180: Feb 6th 2016 at 2:15:42 PM

Yeah, there aren't really any undecided voters at this point.

It's just us and them.

Oh really when?
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#111181: Feb 6th 2016 at 2:22:38 PM

  • raises hand* Until Bush and Kasich both officially drop out, I'm still undecided.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#111182: Feb 6th 2016 at 2:27:55 PM

At least one of those two is gone after NH. I wouldn't be surprised if Fiorina, Carson, Kasich, Christie, Bush and that one other guy I can't name drop out if they don't at least get a strong 3rd place in NH.

Though if Trump doesn't win NH, he's totally screwed in a long run (moreso than he is now).

edited 6th Feb '16 2:28:37 PM by Rationalinsanity

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#111183: Feb 6th 2016 at 2:32:58 PM

That football/soccer thing may be something worth discussing in the US culture thread, by the way.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#111184: Feb 6th 2016 at 2:33:13 PM

[up][up]Kasich is doing well enough in NH not to be counted out.

Fiorina, Christie, and Gilmore will all bow out after NH though. Carson after SC.

I really hope the polls are wrong for Trump again. Then again, I secretly hope all three of the Iowa top three don't make top 3 again for NH.

edited 6th Feb '16 2:34:20 PM by FFShinra

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#111185: Feb 6th 2016 at 2:34:24 PM

I know that Bush's backers want him to stay in, but I think if he hasn't recovered by Florida he's gone. If Rubio loses Florida he's probably cooked.

[up]Rubio will probably do well in NH, and I'd like to see Trump win there because the longer he remains viable the longer he can alienate people from the GOP. NH isn't Cruz country and he knows it, he'll be focusing on SC.

edited 6th Feb '16 2:36:00 PM by Rationalinsanity

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#111186: Feb 6th 2016 at 2:36:11 PM

Agreed about Florida. I think Rubio is weaker than people seem to realize though. He's too thin skinned and he can't shake the attacks because said attacks are legit. Hell, Bush is actually making headway on him after months of being pushed aside, which is saying something.

EDIT-

I'm not interested in alienating people for the sake of political expediency, as an independant. I'd rather Trump go to the dustbin of history sooner rather than later.

edited 6th Feb '16 2:37:26 PM by FFShinra

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#111187: Feb 6th 2016 at 2:43:12 PM

It had to do with her extant network of support and ability to compromise

It's not too much trouble, could anyone cite a few examples in which Clinton A) has an extant network of support in the federal bureaucracy, or B) has played a significant part in compromising legislatively with Republicans? Those are the matters that are most relevant to achieving any priorities as President that aren't foreign policy, after all. I keep seeing this claim about her "getting things done" bandied about in various places without any sources attached.

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#111188: Feb 6th 2016 at 2:44:09 PM

[up][up]Even Christie's come out swinging at Rubio, taking advantage of Santorum's endorsement with this effective (and hilarious) attack ad.

edited 6th Feb '16 2:44:48 PM by Eschaton

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#111189: Feb 6th 2016 at 3:29:39 PM

If I were a US citizen, I'd hardly be undecided. I can't even imagine a situation where I would even consider voting Republican. Not even on drugs.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#111190: Feb 6th 2016 at 3:31:16 PM

Well if you were a US citizen there's a good chance you'd have been taught from birth that Democrats are the ultimate evil and that MLK was a "trouble maker" and that trickle down economics work.

You're dealing with a ton of straight indoctrination and tons of other cultural issues here.

Oh really when?
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#111191: Feb 6th 2016 at 3:32:36 PM

I am all too painfully aware of how conservative indoctrination works. It's been a part of my life. Granted, it was our Russian flavor, but bar some economic stuff, it's Not So Different ultimately.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#111192: Feb 6th 2016 at 3:34:55 PM

It's sorta funny how Republicans are trying to shill Russia as the irreconcilable hostile force again despite the fact that most Republican politics are almost identical to Putin's policies.

Oh really when?
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#111193: Feb 6th 2016 at 3:37:48 PM

Really, the only difference is religion (Evangelical VS Orthodox). And the Russian right has more power due to weaker state structures/opposition.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#111194: Feb 6th 2016 at 3:38:01 PM

Most conservative extremists are like that. The Republicans share a lot more similarities with Al Qaeda and the Taliban than they'd like to admit.

edited 6th Feb '16 3:38:28 PM by Kostya

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#111195: Feb 6th 2016 at 4:25:59 PM

It's not too much trouble, could anyone cite a few examples in which Clinton A) has an extant network of support in the federal bureaucracy, or B) has played a significant part in compromising legislatively with Republicans? Those are the matters that are most relevant to achieving any priorities as President that aren't foreign policy, after all. I keep seeing this claim about her "getting things done" bandied about in various places without any sources attached.
I think she's mostly trying to call to mind her husband's presidency in which quite a number of Bipartisan pieces of legislation got done, such as "Defense of Marriage Act", the rolling back of the Welfare State, brokering budget deals, the creation of CHIP (health insurance for children), the repeal of Glass-Stegal. She'd be able to get things done because she'd have a lot of the same resources as her husband.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#111196: Feb 6th 2016 at 4:47:11 PM

Christie and Florina will bow out after New Hampshire. As will Kasich if he doesn't get a strong enough showing. Though even if he wins in New Hampshire I feel like he's doomed to be 2016's Jon Huntsman.

Gilmore will crawl his way to Super Tuesday, and then silently concede. No one will pay attention to him, and years from now people will wonder if his presidential campaign ever really existed or if it was just a figment of our imagination.

Super Tuesday will make or break Carson and Bush. Bush might linger on until Florida, but if he hasn't made an impact by then than he is doomed either way.

This race is between Trump, Cruz, and whoever can act as the establishment candidate. At this moment Rubio has the best shot of filling that role, but that could be subject to change.

edited 6th Feb '16 5:04:57 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#111197: Feb 6th 2016 at 5:01:17 PM

Why do you think Gilmore of all people will limp on to Super Tuesday?

And if Kasich does well in NH, I feel like he'd become the establishment candidate or at least make it a fight between him and Rubio for the mantle.

edited 6th Feb '16 5:02:12 PM by FFShinra

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#111198: Feb 6th 2016 at 5:12:07 PM

If Gilmore wasn't dissuaded by the fact that all of 12 individuals voted for him in Iowa, i think he might be in this for the long haul. His campaign is virtually nonexistant anyway.

The Family Medical Leave Act was another Clinton achievement, btw. It's woefully inadequate, but it's better than your job being able to fire you just because your elderly father got sick and needed short-term care.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#111199: Feb 6th 2016 at 5:13:13 PM

Honestly, I have no idea when Gilmore will gonna drop out, mainly because I have no idea why he's still in the race at this point. My best guess is that he's either delusional or trying to improve his resume.

He could drop out tomorrow or ride this pony all the way to the convention. I doubt anybody would care.

I just choose Super Tuesday because it sounded good.

Florida Governor Rick Scott expanded the state of emergency to a fifth county today after the discovery of Zika virus cases there.

edited 6th Feb '16 5:14:21 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#111200: Feb 6th 2016 at 5:44:35 PM

Anybody watching the debate? I'm catching bits of it.

Oh really when?

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