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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
X18 You appear to have suffered some kind of weird temporary blindness while reading my post, here let me try again.
"the evidence does indicate that it or something similar was once said by Bush at a diplomatic meeting"
I'd suggest you get your eyes checked out if they fail you again.
X17 It's far an exact comparison, if anything it takes a slightly more favourable view of the crusades, the basic idea is that the people behind both things honestly believed they were on a mission from God to stop the evil men hurting people, but they made such a mess of the 'mission' and engaged in so much brutality in it that they just made everything much much worse. Their belief that they were on a mission from God can also in part be tied to the idea that the white man must save and tame the savage lands and bring civilisation to others.
It's far from an exact comparison and it can certain be disagreed with, but it has been made.
Oh and the original Iraq plan was for a few months I belive, 90 days I think but I'll have to actually check my sources.
Edit: Fuck all y'all
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edited 3rd Feb '16 2:54:01 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran@Dr Dougsh
Exactly. I'll note that the comparisons some tropers are trying to make between Allende and Chavez are also ridiculous. Chavez made himself dictator of Venezuela in all but name. Allende did not do the same in Chile and there is no evidence whatsoever that he intended to.
@Field Marshal Fry
I'm sorry to say that the Falklands War is the least of the BS that the National Reorganization Process got up to. Among the things on General Videla and Admiral Massera's rapsheets are mass murder, catch-and-release torture, mass rape, and the kidnapping and selling of orphaned children. It was an ugly, ugly regime, and one that had full backing from first Ford and then Reagan.
edited 3rd Feb '16 2:58:10 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Both won every election democratically, and I do recall reading some articles in foreign policy saying that Allenede did some of the same media intimidation/ censorship BS Chavez did. And just to be clear I do not support the coup carried out against him.
Edit: You left out Nixon. Oh and how did Carter deal with them, I know he really turned against the South Koreans for their Human rights abuses.
edited 3rd Feb '16 2:59:35 PM by JackOLantern1337
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.I belive Carter also started to phase out tech sharing with despotic regimes at one point, specifically nuclear tech sharing with the Shah of Iran. At least I think it was Carter who begun to reduce that, the essay I wrote that mentions that is on my laptop and I'm on my iPad now.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranWait, Trump's throwing a hissy fit? I have to see this.
One check of Twitter later:
I'm sure that's supposed to be an abortion reference but I choose to take it literally. Spread the word, folks. Don't be taken in by lies. Trump is a devout enemy of choice.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.There also seems to be this weird misconception that the US was powerful enough to just casually replace major governments. They weren't, though they wish they were. They just backed movements that were going to happen anyway.
edited 3rd Feb '16 3:13:57 PM by Nihlus1
Was posted earlier that Trump backed out from his low concession and was demanding another caucus cuz Cruz cheated or something.
Would it simply be casual understandable politics if the U.K or Russia or China started to fund the KKK, or Trump?
Or if Britain had funded the Confederacy?
edited 3rd Feb '16 3:13:50 PM by Aszur
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesTwo, if the Russians or Chinese funded Trump, great. That's an easy way of making sure he gets no votes.
The Confederacy is also not Pinochet. But, even if Britain had given tons of cash to the Confederacy, the Confederacy still wouldn't be their fault. It'd still be an organization of the American south.
edited 3rd Feb '16 3:18:19 PM by Nihlus1
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You are responsible for what the people you fund and give intelligence to do.
@Nihlus
Yes. Also you're ignoring the more than 30 000 who were tortured or raped, and the thousands more who were illegally arrested. You're ignoring the near total destruction of Chilean intellectual life, the imposition of the military into near every aspect of life, the kidnapping and sale of children (which happened in both Chile and Argentina), and of course, his involvement in Operation: Condor which spread assassination and right-wing terrorism across the continent.
And I hate to break it to you, but the Chilean junta only made their move after they had been assured of CIA support and American funding and recognition. Pinochet himself only joined the coup at the last moment, and only because the CIA convinced the Navy and Air Force that he would be approachable.
edited 3rd Feb '16 3:19:55 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
They also built some ships for the Confederacy. After the war we made them pay for the damages those ships caused, as technically their was no such thing as the Confederate States of America.
Edit: Oh and the Confederacy was way worse than Pinochet.
None of this justifies US involvement in the coup, just wanted to put out a quick history lesson.
edited 3rd Feb '16 3:21:06 PM by JackOLantern1337
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.We came close to arming them I think, then the US ambassador very diplomatically threatened war and we found another buyer for our ships.
If you don't belive that the quote is genuine you can dispute it without being an arse. Well it's possible for a person to, if you can is rather up to you.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranPersonal attacks, guys. Don't be making them.
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The question of whether Allende was a good ruler or not doesn't strike me as all that relevant in evaluating the rightfulness of Kissinger helping with his overthrow. He was elected fair and square. In a healthy democracy, a bad ruler gets voted out of office — that's kind of the entire reason to even favour democracy.