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#110751: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:50:33 PM

[up][up]It does seem that way sometimes.

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:51:04 PM by Skycobra51

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#110752: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:51:04 PM

[up][up][up]

Well, a communist friend of mine is fond of observing that the only just war America has ever fought was against itself. tongue

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:51:23 PM by Achaemenid

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#110753: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:54:08 PM

Don't forget the man with the funny little mustache and freindstongue

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:55:03 PM by Skycobra51

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#110754: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:55:30 PM

[up][up] Of course he would say thattongue

[up] I think the Communist position is that the USSR would have curb stomped Hitler with or without the US.

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:56:01 PM by JackOLantern1337

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#110755: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:59:37 PM

Josef Stalin also had a funny little mustache.

Russia has scars from WWII to this very day due to the sheer number of casualties it took defending against Germany. The Eastern Front made the death toll from the Western Front look like a Sunday picnic. Despite what they say, out of national amour propre no doubt, I wonder if it would have gone so well for them had Hitler not divided his attention.

edited 2nd Feb '16 1:02:57 PM by Fighteer

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#110756: Feb 2nd 2016 at 1:05:00 PM

Charlie Chaplin as welltongue

It also didn't help when Mussolini messed up the time table by dropping the ball in Yugoslavia and Greece, forcing Germany to divert troops and equipment to help him out.

edited 2nd Feb '16 1:05:58 PM by Skycobra51

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Nihlus1 Since: Jul, 2015
#110757: Feb 2nd 2016 at 1:24:46 PM

Damn, this thread moved fast. Not gonna read all that. Anyway, my friends, [distant] family, acquaintances, etc., many of whom are Sanders supporters, are now throwing out a combination of the following statements following last night:

  • Clinton cheated (by far the most common).
  • He'll just do way better in other states (even though Iowa is young, white, middle class, and liberal- pretty much the base of his support, besides factory workers/unionists).
  • Iowa doesn't matter (after talking about how much it mattered in the previous weeks).
  • Polls showing Sanders unpopular among black and Latino voters are lies.
  • If those polls are proven not to be lies, black/Latino voters are just ignorant and would side with Sanders if they knew more about what he stands for.
  • He almost tied which is just as good as winning.

So roughly what I expected.

It also didn't help when Mussolini messed up the time table by dropping the ball in Yugoslavia and Greece, forcing Germany to divert troops and equipment to help him out.
That's actually a myth. Plus, on timetables, Hitler could not have picked a more perfect time to attack when he did. It was impossible. At that point, Germany's relative strength was the highest it would ever be. That's why his forces experienced almost unrealistic amounts of success.

I recommend "Stumbling Colossus" by David Glantz. It's about how woefully unprepared the USSR's military was for the Germans in 1941, despite the leadership's best attempts to prepare, to the point that it was impossible to prepare any faster.

[up] I think the Communist position is that the USSR would have curb stomped Hitler with or without the US.
That was the position in the USSR, yeah. They often threw out propaganda; most of it was aimed at extolling the virtues of communism as an economic system (i.e. "that so-called Lend-Lease was only 4% of production and totally unneeded because our glorious workers could outproduce the more resource-rich Germany on their own!"). There's now a school of historians in Russia who view the "Great Patriotic War" differently as more records become available, though from what I've read the average Russian still believes the USSR more or less won the war alone. To be 100% fair, though, the same is true for the average Brit or American.

[Also Japan isn't real]

Russia has scars from WWII to this very day due to the sheer number of casualties it took defending against Germany. The Eastern Front made the death toll from the Western Front look like a Sunday picnic. Despite what they say, out of national amour propre no doubt, I wonder if it would have gone so well for them had Hitler not divided his attention.
Myths abound, but Germany actually had higher GDP, steel production, coal production, aluminum production, vehicle fuel production (''not'' just raw oil production), industrial labor pools, industrial capacity, and ammunition production, when compared to the USSR. And this is all while the USAAF and RAF were bombing Germany's industry and massively boosting the USSR's with Lend-Lease. In addition to a larger army for most of the war (especially when you consider its allies), and a qualitatively much better army until late 1943 at the earliest.

American Lend-Lease supplied the following goods to the USSR, per the numbers by Sokolov and by Harrison:

  • 58% of the USSR's high octane aviation fuel

  • 33% of their motor vehicles (66% of their heavy haul logistics trucks)

  • 53% of expended ordinance (artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives)

  • 30% of military aircraft

  • 93% of railroad equipment (locomotives, freight cars, wide gauge rails, etc.)

  • 50-80% of rolled steel, cable, lead, and aluminium

  • 43% of garage facilities (building materials & blueprints)

  • 12% of tanks and SP Gs

Germany was devoting between 40-50% of its resources on fronts other than the east, in the years of 1943-1945. Looking at the number of deaths is also misleading when determining who inflicted the most casualties. You also must look at the number of prisoners of war, and the amount of lost materiel. The units in the Western and Mediterranean fronts were disproportionately stacked with vehicles relative to number of personnel. Partly because a lot of them were Luftwaffe or Kriegsmarine.

edited 2nd Feb '16 1:51:41 PM by Nihlus1

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#110758: Feb 2nd 2016 at 1:32:15 PM

When was the last time you made a post that didn't shit-talk Sanders, dude?

Bense Since: Aug, 2010
#110759: Feb 2nd 2016 at 1:33:04 PM

It is a common mistake to assert that the society of Starship Troopers only recognizes military service as a condition for earning the franchise. Any form of public service counts, as I recall.
Not only that, but anyone who can understand the oath of service will be allowed in and given a job to serve their term, even if its "counting the fuzz on caterpillars." The ability to earn your citizenship is open to everyone except the mentally incompetent.

Also, the culture in which it is set is one where the human race is involved in a perpetual war against an external foe, so its mores must be considered in light of that fact.
Actually the culture and the practice of limiting franchise in the novel pre-dates the war against the bugs.

It is said to be the result of a societal collapse during a war while humans were still earthbound. When the veterans of the war returned and were not being treated well by their government they formed a coup and then limited the vote to veterans only in the new government.

edited 2nd Feb '16 1:35:07 PM by Bense

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#110760: Feb 2nd 2016 at 1:34:24 PM

It is a truth though, around 90 precincts in Iowa were heavily understaffed by the Iowa Democratic Party, and one had noone to report victory to."

(Incidentally, which was won by Sanders. Which would more or less outright tie.)

And Hillary DID win 3 Precincts literally by Coin Toss.

edited 2nd Feb '16 1:36:46 PM by PotatoesRock

Nihlus1 Since: Jul, 2015
#110761: Feb 2nd 2016 at 1:36:22 PM

[up][up][up]I don't recall mentioning Sanders in the Arab Spring thread... tongue

But tbh that's not even really shit talking Sanders, just repeating what I've been told by Sanders supporters.

edited 2nd Feb '16 1:38:54 PM by Nihlus1

Bense Since: Aug, 2010
#110762: Feb 2nd 2016 at 1:38:56 PM

I thought it was 6 coin tosses she won.

Statistically improbable, but possible.

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#110763: Feb 2nd 2016 at 1:40:50 PM

Hey we've always said that the money was for Clinton.

edited 2nd Feb '16 1:41:00 PM by Silasw

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#110764: Feb 2nd 2016 at 1:41:20 PM

the Random Number God is on her side...

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#110765: Feb 2nd 2016 at 1:41:24 PM

I heard of three myself, wouldn't be surprised if it was more.

I will note that the understaffing at those Precincts however, does sound awfully sketchy as hell to someone suspicious of things.

Hey we've always said that the money was for Clinton.
Shut the thread down, we have a winner. tongue

edited 2nd Feb '16 1:42:07 PM by PotatoesRock

Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#110766: Feb 2nd 2016 at 1:43:10 PM

I wonder if the coins know something we don't...

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#110768: Feb 2nd 2016 at 1:53:39 PM

Clinton cheated (by far the most common).

He'll just do way better in other states (even though Iowa is young, white, middle class, and liberal- pretty much the base of his support, besides factory workers/unionists).

Iowa doesn't matter (after talking about how much it mattered in the previous weeks).

Polls showing Sanders unpopular among black and Latino voters are lies.

If those polls are proven not to be lies, black/Latino voters are just ignorant and would side with Sanders if they knew more about what he stands for.

He almost tied which is just as good as winning.

You just summed up the frontpage of r/Politics

edited 2nd Feb '16 1:58:23 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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Bense Since: Aug, 2010
#110769: Feb 2nd 2016 at 1:57:31 PM

6 coin tosses - Ames, Newton, West Branch, Davenport, and two in Des Moines - all won by Clinton.

They had to toss coins because there was a virtual tie of votes but an odd number of county delegates, so one candidate had to lose a delegate to the other in each case, and the official state rules say to use a coin toss for the odd delegate.

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#110770: Feb 2nd 2016 at 2:02:34 PM

So why the hell is everyone saying that this means Sanders is done for? If anything, the fact that they came so close and that Clinton literally had luck on her side because of a coin toss should be a teeth-gnashing headache for her campaign. Besides, Sanders is still doing remarkably well in NH.

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#110771: Feb 2nd 2016 at 2:04:26 PM

Sanders is in it to win it, I don't see him backing down anytime soon. Besides, its only one state, there's a chance for him to pull off a victory yet.

edited 2nd Feb '16 2:06:32 PM by Skycobra51

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#110772: Feb 2nd 2016 at 2:05:35 PM

I think that some people were expecting Sanders to win massively outright.

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#110773: Feb 2nd 2016 at 2:05:55 PM

People are reactionary nincompoops. More specifically, this is part of the media tendency to jump on a trend, any trend, as a focal point, and use it to make sweeping pronouncements.

Realistically, Sanders was hoping to win Iowa in order to have any chance of buffering against the Southern states that will almost surely be won by Clinton. He needs to capture a majority of young, white, male Democrats, ironically enough.

The virtual tie that occurred may help boost his credibility as a national candidate, but unless he enjoys a huge boom among minority voters in the next few weeks or months, it's a bad sign for him.

edited 2nd Feb '16 2:07:45 PM by Fighteer

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Nihlus1 Since: Jul, 2015
#110774: Feb 2nd 2016 at 2:06:37 PM

Besides, Sanders is still doing remarkably well in NH.
No one expected Sanders to do anything less than great in NH. But NH doesn't matter. It is going to vote Democrat even if the Democrats split their vote, and Sanders has next to no support in the important borderline states like Florida.

You just summed up the frontpage of r/Politics
Again, that's about what I expected.

edited 2nd Feb '16 2:08:54 PM by Nihlus1

Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#110775: Feb 2nd 2016 at 2:08:26 PM

Isn't California also one of the big ones?

My memory is hazy, since I rarely paid attention when we covered the election process in government class.

edited 2nd Feb '16 2:11:36 PM by Skycobra51

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