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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
And that is a reasonable concern, the fact that you are capitalizing non-proper nouns aside.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@Fighteer: Gonna note that holding Trump's bankruptcies as evidence that he's a poor businessman is somewhat misleading. Bankruptcy is a part of his business strategy - he wins either way, and the banks let him get away with it because in the meantime he's making them craploads of money off his successes.
He may be good at making money but if the success of the businesses he runs is supposed to be taken as an argument for his qualifications, it's a giant lie.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I'm not sure that the banks let him so much as can't stop him, his companies are presumably set up in such a way that them going bankrupt can't be held against him.
The question is if Trump's companies went bankrupt due to bad business desicions or because he's a cheat who misused bankruptcy loopholes to strip companies for parts befo running away and leaving the employees with nothing.
Vulture capitalist or incompetent idiot, pick your poison.
True, Trump's record indicates that he would either drive the country to bankrupt though incompetence or though malice as he pockets the national budget and leaves everyone else on their own with no government support.
edited 1st Feb '16 5:08:10 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranOne could argue that it is. Trump has shown that he can take big risks for big profits and recover smoothly if the risk blows up in his face. *turns into Old Republican business shill* In the business world, we call that leadership. I want someone in the White House who's not afraid to take risks if it means making our country great again.
And if he's a vulture capitalist, hey, maybe he can asset-strip Mexico to build that wall.
edited 1st Feb '16 5:08:16 PM by Ramidel
Thing is, when Joe Average has to declare bankruptcy and loses his house, he's regarded as a financial failure. When Trump does the same thing, he calls it a "shrewd business move." Plus, he declares bankruptcy so that he won't have to pay back the millions of dollars of other people's money that he pissed away on some monstrosity of a hotel/resort/casino that was an economic black hole from day one. What amazes me is that people are still willing to lend him money, again and again.
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You know I've never got the "make America great again" line, it seems to betray a fundemental lack of national pride, patriotism and belief in America in the speaker, I mean you're declaring that America isn't great currently, which is both factual incorrect in many ways but also not very patriotic.
Also you realise that asset stripping Mexico would require declaring a war right? I don't think even a a republican congress is that stupid.
Did he piss the money away or pocket it?
edited 1st Feb '16 5:12:01 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran![]()
He is, as he claims often, supreme at making deals. That those deals are advantageous for him and awful for the other parties is, to him, all the proof he needs.
It is fundamentally necessary to the Republican political mythos that America is constantly under attack, whether it be from Muslims, Communists, Liberals, Blacks, Women, Atheists, Chinese, Mexicans, or whatever. Trump takes that to its logical conclusion. He taps into the feeling among many whites that America has stopped offering them opportunity.
edited 1st Feb '16 5:13:23 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@ Pwiegle I've heard that speaking out about your experience being in business with Trump is a great way to get sued and more trouble than it's worth, so his shitty business practices remain an open secret among his peers.
edited 1st Feb '16 5:17:05 PM by Artificius
"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."And That's Terrible. Joe Average and Trump should both be willing to walk away from bad deals with the bank the moment they become bad deals. The bank considers you nothing more than an asset on their balance sheet and will fuck you every way they can, so for you to not be willing to take advantage of anything that will give you an advantage is foolish. It's a business deal.
(If you welch on a personal loan, of course, you are a horrible douchebag. But a banker is not personal.)
edited 1st Feb '16 5:14:04 PM by Ramidel
@Silasw: They don't hate America. They worship a nostalgic vision of America that has been dangled in front of them by their leaders and given memetic status. This vision is of a white, heterosexual couple with a detached home, a yard, a dog, two or three cars, a white picket fence, two children, baseball on the weekends, football on the TV, beers in the fridge for Dad, church on Sundays, vacations to Grandma's house, steaks on the grill in the summer, and the occasional colored servant. Dad works, Mom cooks and cleans, there might be a war on Over There but it doesn't touch anyone's daily lives. Dad probably has a rifle in his private den that he goes hunting with and teaches his son to use when he gets old enough.
That this vision only ever existed for a short while and in a very few parts of the country, that it has always masked racism and deep inequality, and that it's economically unsustainable is irrelevant. The right worships Leave it to Beaver.
edited 1st Feb '16 5:19:32 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@Silas: Well only an idiot would argue the US is great right now. In fact Donald Trump himself is probably one of the reasons people think the country isn't great. The fact is that we as a country are in terminal inexorable decline ala the Roman or British empires. The only question is how long will we hold on and how painful will it be.
As for the dam song, let them have it. In a few decades both they, and the symbols of the revolution they so adore will be regarded as nothing more than an embarrassment. An uprising of stupid hicks fueled by money from greedy oligarchs for the purpose of keeping minorities and the poor oppressed, I'm talking about both "Tea Party" groups here. Some days I find myself pitying them rather than hating them.
Because they fear it will change into something that isn't "America".
edited 1st Feb '16 5:22:43 PM by JackOLantern1337
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.Yes. That's pretty much the Republican argument. We need to roll back 'progress' right back to when things were 'really good'. The 1950s specifically seems to be around the point in time they'd like to freeze things. Except with no USSR threatening them.
edited 1st Feb '16 5:22:18 PM by PotatoesRock
edited 1st Feb '16 5:23:12 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I'd freeze things back in the Clinton years. The economy was doing good, we had a fucking surplus for christ's sake. No real foreign enemies to bother us, the nation triumphant and patriotic after beating the shit out of Saddam and watching the USSR crap it's pants. Hell our movies of the time. The fact that the biggest crisis that faced the nation was the President getting a BJ shows how good those times were.
edited 1st Feb '16 5:25:19 PM by JackOLantern1337
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.Okay, look. I have fairly strong reservations about linguistic prescriptivism in the context of cultural and political discourse, but the above quote is inconsistent with this:
If you're using incorrect capitalization to illustrate the linguistic parameters of othering as a form of lexical bigotry and xenophobia, that's fine, but don't be a hypocrite about it. Just because you get to do it doesn't mean other people can't. Come on, now.
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Good for many, not for all. There was still deep racial inequality that periodically flared up (I recall some race riots during his tenure), the financial system was beginning to develop the shadow banking practices that lead to the crisis in 2006, the ratio of labor wages to productivity was still declining, gay rights were still a pipe dream, and climate change and healthcare legislation were being stonewalled by Congress. Let us not forget that his administration saw Newt Gingrich shut the Federal government down over the budget.
It was not clear to me that his use of capitals in that context was intentional. If it was, I apologize.
edited 1st Feb '16 5:29:51 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Neoliberal Democrats do not have a good track record of protecting social safety nets if it means they can get traction on Social Issues.
And I don't trust Hillary to backstab on those positions and backpedal from her leftist positions if it means "Grand Bargain". [/says with sage voice] Because the Neoliberal end of the party, which she belongs to, have shown they will fuck Centrists/The Left on Social Safety Nets at the cost of Left Social Positions/Cult of Centrism.
edited 1st Feb '16 4:51:25 PM by PotatoesRock