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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Yeah, no. She was very active in politics as far back as the 60s, and political science was one of her undergrad majors. She was involved in helping to run the campaigns of prominent Democrats in the early 70s, as well as working at a law firm with connections to the far left at the time before graduating from Yale with a law degree, and then was part of the staff working to impeach Nixon. If anything, her career would have been much brighter and much faster if she hadn't married Bill Clinton, and stayed in Washington afterward instead of going to Arkansas with Bill.
As it is, between having majored in political science, worked on multiple political campaigns, being a lawyer and law professor, child advocate, having been part of the effort to impeach Nixon, 2 term senator, secretary of state, and 50 years of political activism and connections, I think her qualifications go a bit further than "was Bill Clinton's wife".
| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |In the last presidential election, Hillary used to boast that she had something like thirty-five years of political experience. Well, being First Lady doesn't count, whether it's FLOTUS or First Lady of the state of Arkansas, because it's not an elected position and confers no actual power. Being a law professor doesn't count either, for similar reasons.
This Space Intentionally Left Blank.It seems like "I disapprove of her politics" and "she did a poor or insufficiently notable job while in office" are being erroneously conflated. Just more well-poisoning BS. /sigh
I suppose you're forgetting that during Clinton's terms, it was widely rumored that Hillary was really running things, and this was used as an attack against her husband? You can't have it both ways.
Anyway, if she achieved nothing else at all as SecState, laying the groundwork for the Iran deal may be seen in the future as having kept us out of a full-fledged war. That ain't chump change. It certainly cannot be said that she lacks diplomacy skills or respect as a statesman on the world stage.
She's certainly orders of magnitude more qualified than Obama was, and more qualified than any other current candidate in terms of time in politics except for Sanders himself.
edited 1st Feb '16 1:22:18 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Did you just flatout just not read what TheWanderer wrote?
edited 1st Feb '16 1:25:42 PM by NoName999
I never made any claim of having anything both ways, Fighteer. You must have my post confused with someone else's.
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I didn't say she had no political experience whatsoever, I just said that she inflated her resume with stuff that doesn't count.
edited 1st Feb '16 1:40:20 PM by pwiegle
This Space Intentionally Left Blank.Look, it's really simple. If you insist that Hillary's "lack of notable political achievements" in any way speaks to the viability of her campaign, present another candidate in the race with a comparable or superior body of achievements. Otherwise your point is moot.
As far as I can tell, Sanders is the only one.
edited 1st Feb '16 1:31:23 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"How is Sanders more qualified than Clinton? If politicians are rated on and said to be "qualified" based on their contribution to America, Sanders would get an F. All he's done since he's been in office is appeal to trade unionists, obstruct reform, and oppose vital economic bills such as TARP, in addition to trying to get the US to withdraw from the WTO.
edited 1st Feb '16 1:32:11 PM by Nihlus1
And now I've ruined what I thought was a reasonably pithy comment by over explaining it. Ah well.
edited 1st Feb '16 1:32:23 PM by Bense
@Nihlus1: Again, if you are going to use your like or dislike of a candidate's record as a gauge of the credibility of their political experience as a qualification for office, then you are engaging in a very serious logical fallacy.
You can say whatever you want about Sanders' policies, and I will agree or disagree with you (I disagree), but to present those as factual evidence of his qualifications for office is a completely miscarriage of logic.
edited 1st Feb '16 1:35:43 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"edited 1st Feb '16 1:38:49 PM by Bense
The logical fallacy is pretending that experience/time = qualified, especially for a candidate who is making economics the core of his campaign. If Clinton is a doctor who has been practicing medicine for 10 years, Sanders is a quook who has been practicing homeopathy (and telling everyone else how great it is) for 20 years.
edited 1st Feb '16 1:44:38 PM by Nihlus1
i think the main problem with Clinton is Wall Street and TPP, people are tired of letting corporations and banks screw them over for profit.
didn't Clinton used to be more liberal in the past, rather than moderate as she is now?
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Simply put, Sanders has 25 years in Congress and 10 years as the mayor of Burlington, Vermont; that is an enormous weight of experience unmatched by any other candidate. Again, your approval of his policies has nothing to do with whether his experience qualifies him for President.
I find it rather amusing that we have in this group some rabid Sanders supporters who hate Clinton, a savage Sanders hater, and a few right-wingers who tear down Clinton. Maybe we middle-of-the-roaders should stand aside and let you guys fight it out.
edited 1st Feb '16 2:43:07 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
I was under the impression it was the opposite, that the she was more conservative in the past and has drifted to more liberal positions. Though maybe it depends on the issues in the question.
Either way, this kind of political flexibility doesn't appeal much to voters who prefer a candidate who is more committed.
edited 1st Feb '16 1:47:15 PM by Eschaton
Hillary was the Secretary of State, and Senator for NYC, was she not? Does that not count?
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesEh, Hillary rather infamously moved to New York just so she could get in under the residency requirement to be the state's Senator.
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People want candidates who are committed to their positions for ever and ever, even if those positions are stupid and ignoring that a President needs to be flexible and able to adapt to situations as they arise. /sigh
edited 1st Feb '16 1:51:38 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"How often do New Yorkers vote for someone who has never held a political office and who never lived in the state before for Senator?

It already is a multiparty system, it's just that most parties not named Republican or Democrat never take office. This is self-fulfilling; nobody votes for them because it's assumed they can't win; an assumption that rings true because nobody votes for them.
That's an issue with the voter base, not the government.
edited 1st Feb '16 12:50:07 PM by TobiasDrake
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