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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#110301: Jan 31st 2016 at 10:03:24 AM

Senate has to confirm them though, so if the Dems can take and keep majority, that won't be a problem. If I recall, they are in a position to do that this year regardless of the president.

EDIT- [up]My god man, people just have to tell you what you want to hear and you'll just blindly follow? Her record is far less ideological than you seem to realize.

edited 31st Jan '16 10:04:30 AM by FFShinra

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#110302: Jan 31st 2016 at 10:05:18 AM

That's true (many of the Tea Party Senators that got elected in 2010 are really vulnerable), but the Dems have to hold the Senate for 4/8 years to avoid that. And considering how awful they are when it comes to getting out the vote in the midterms...

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#110303: Jan 31st 2016 at 10:07:31 AM

That's something democrats need to start fixing. That said, there are only a set number of chances a president will get the chance to change a justice.

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#110304: Jan 31st 2016 at 10:09:17 AM

I would rather have a reliable middle-ground President than an unreliable extreme President no matter which side they are on. I love Bernie Sanders' ideas, but he has consistently floundered on providing realistic ways to achieve them. Regardless, I refuse to risk the future of the country on the chance that enough people will like Sanders' ideas to balance out the ones who might flock to Trump because they are scared of the evil socialist.

edited 31st Jan '16 10:10:00 AM by Fighteer

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#110305: Jan 31st 2016 at 10:13:24 AM

I'd bet all the money in my pocket that Ginsberg isn't going to on the bench much longer. Breyer is 75. The next president will likely have to replace at least two justices or even as many as six (Scalia, Ginsberg, Kennedy and Breyer are all over 70, and Thomas and Altio are getting up there) if they serve two terms.

There is a good chance that the next president will have the opportunity to completely alter the balance of power in the SC, and I'd rather not see my southern neighbors under the thumb of a court where 2/3rds of the justices are hand picked by the likes of Donald Trump or Ted Cruz. That sort of damage would take decades to undo.

[up]This. The Dems should play it safe for a few more cycles until the GOP destroys itself fully because of demographic shifts. Running someone like Sanders in 2024 could work, maybe even in 2020.

edited 31st Jan '16 10:23:27 AM by Rationalinsanity

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#110306: Jan 31st 2016 at 10:14:09 AM

[up][up][awesome] Well said. About how I feel about the guy too. Was even willing to suspend my annoyance at his foreign policy in favor of domestic policy until it became clear that domestic policy was gonna have trouble as well.

[up]Indeed.

edited 31st Jan '16 10:16:41 AM by FFShinra

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#110307: Jan 31st 2016 at 10:41:35 AM

My main concern is Hillary is going to go "Yeah, I'll block TPP", and then when in office, will turn around, she'll surround herself with her husband and Obama's officials, and they'll tell her to pass TPP. Basically, that she's either shilling for votes and being faux progressive. Or she's going to resort to the same hacks as Bill and Obama, a la Tim Geithner.

Basically, that she'll insist the only way to 'fight' is to sell out half the fucking farm on anything but social issues.

"Yeah, we privatized Social Security, cut Medicare coverage, weakened collective bargaining rights, passed the TPP, and cut regulations on Wall Street, but at least LGBT people can marry. That's good fighting, right?"

I believe she does care on things. But I think she's also very much still a Neoliberalist/Free Market Democrat, and those chuckle fucks are going end up killing the country's economy as badly as a Republican.

edited 31st Jan '16 10:42:52 AM by PotatoesRock

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#110308: Jan 31st 2016 at 10:42:35 AM

Don't think it will be quite that bad.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#110309: Jan 31st 2016 at 10:46:54 AM

I'm exagerrating, I'll admit, but basically, I don't trust her to not flip-flop. As much as 'evolving' one's views is good, I kind of like someone who believes in something, but Hillary gives me a general unease that the only thing she believes in is a half hearted pragmatism.

Reminder, Obama was willing to fuck Social Security and Medicare over for his "Grand Bargain", because Neoliberal Dems seem to believe in "Entitlement Reform".

So I'm leery.

Especially with how ugly her campaign is acting. I know that's part of politics, but something about her just doesn't sit right with me. I will vote for her in the General, but. Something bugs me and I can't place my finger on it.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#110310: Jan 31st 2016 at 11:15:39 AM

Which is why I'm even looking at the GOP still, for exactly that same uneasy feeling about her.

edited 31st Jan '16 11:15:56 AM by FFShinra

Shawnsummer7 Since: Jan, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#110311: Jan 31st 2016 at 11:24:39 AM

How has her campaign been acting ugly? Did she say some bad things or is it just that kind of feeling?

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#110312: Jan 31st 2016 at 11:30:04 AM

Lots of ratfucking with Sanders. Lots of casting the first stone. Doing everything to get undedcideds in Iowa either go for her or O'Malley (so he acts as spoiler). Using the major 'wonk' magazines to press about ribbons/Union Logos in Nevada. Having the New York Times publish that article that Sanders is the biggest beneficiary of Dem Super PACS (he isn't, Hillary is), to make him look like a fraud/hypocrite. Hillary after getting a 13$ Million Dollar donation from the Healthcare Industry has sworn Single Payer is never ever going to happen.

It's not her directly but they are getting paranoid as fuck.

edited 31st Jan '16 11:32:50 AM by PotatoesRock

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#110313: Jan 31st 2016 at 11:38:06 AM

Overcompensating for last time, methinks. Sanders is Obama redux in their eyes.

edited 31st Jan '16 11:39:11 AM by FFShinra

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#110314: Jan 31st 2016 at 11:43:27 AM

Yeah. Honestly sort of reminds me of Nixon to a degree. He and his team kept wanting the Presidency, kept overcompensating until they got it, and well, you know. Watergate. But I do agree they're definitely overcompensating, though I half to wonder how much that'll blow back on her.

But I still personally don't like it when, for the most part, Sanders has been kind of mostly turning the other cheek, thus far. Makes me think less of her and her campaign for fighting dirty.

Bob Dole supports Trump. Declares Ted Cruz a RINO (Republican in Name Only)

edited 31st Jan '16 11:47:36 AM by PotatoesRock

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#110315: Jan 31st 2016 at 11:50:34 AM

I'm wondering if he's trolling (in the sense of wanting Trump to get the nomination so he'll lose).

Dole is pretty moderate compared to a lot of modern Republicans and has said nice things about President Obama. And Cruz is obviously not a RINO.

Like it would make sense if Dole supported Trump because Cruz was too conservative, but that stated reasoning sounds like he doesn't like either of them.

edited 31st Jan '16 11:51:25 AM by Hodor2

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#110316: Jan 31st 2016 at 12:07:13 PM

I've heard rumors of John Mc Cain endorsing Sanders should Trump receive the Republican nomination.

Mc Cain and Sanders worked closely on the veterans' healthcare crisis reform, and Mc Cain has offered statements in recent weeks that suggest a preference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkMGrqNWxw0

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary

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#110317: Jan 31st 2016 at 12:17:31 PM

That'd be a good way to get Mc Cain primaried from the right, something he might be at risk of as is.

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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#110318: Jan 31st 2016 at 12:18:49 PM

[up]Yeah, the new far-right hates Mc Cain because he's an establishment Republican who—get this—actually *legislates* and *compromises.* Crazy, huh?

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#110319: Jan 31st 2016 at 12:35:36 PM

Mc Cain is also fairly old though, so me might not care at this point. Destroy the modern GOP and retire might even be fun.

edited 31st Jan '16 12:36:33 PM by FFShinra

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#110320: Jan 31st 2016 at 12:43:37 PM

Can't blame him. The modern GOP's probably shit to him.

Also, would laugh howling if Trump takes the nomination, and swings to the left economically as his pivot.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#110321: Jan 31st 2016 at 12:47:11 PM

Trump is more populist than conservative, so he very well might.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#110323: Jan 31st 2016 at 1:16:24 PM

Mc Cain has said that he will run for another term; so I don't see him endorsing the Democratic nominee if he wants to win. I could see him being very lukewarm towards Cruz or Trump though.

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#110324: Jan 31st 2016 at 1:49:20 PM

I still say he would have made a good President.sad

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#110325: Jan 31st 2016 at 1:54:18 PM

I imagine that any support McCain can give to a man who mocked him for being captured as a POW would have to come through tightly gritted teeth.


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