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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#110251: Jan 30th 2016 at 9:47:49 PM

The mainstream media is notably anti-Clinton in a lot of cases, or at least the Beltway media is, although now that the Clintons are insiders maybe they'll pull in for one of their own. It was said that the media helped to hype Sanders because they wanted to see Clinton sweat.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#110252: Jan 30th 2016 at 9:52:14 PM

I'd honestly think the Democrats would be best off if Cruz gets the nomination. While Trump is pretty damn toxic; Cruz literally can't interact with someone on a personal level without pissing them off. No way he could run a campaign for a few months and not piss off vast swathes of the electorate; even if you ignore his reactionary views on basically everything.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#110253: Jan 30th 2016 at 9:53:30 PM

[up][up]When the race is as close as it has been between Clinton and Sanders, 5% can make all the difference. Obama won Iowa with a slight margin, too.

And it's a big enough deal for the Clinton campaign to throw support O'Malley's way rather then let it go to Sanders:

A precinct captain, Jerome Lehtola, confirmed to Buzz Feed News that the campaign has trained precinct captains to release supporters to O’Malley if the move can make him “viable” without hurting Clinton. A Clinton aide said the campaign has trained more than 4,000 volunteer precinct captains to handle a host of different scenarios, including ones where caucus-goers are released to or recruited from another camp.

“Our precinct leadership teams have worked hard to get to know as many people in their precincts as possible and they’ll use those relationships to maximize Hillary Clinton’s delegate count depending on which groups are viable on caucus night,” the aide said.

The goal, in the caucuses’ complex terms, is to cost Clinton no delegates in the state’s 1,681 caucuses while ensuring stray O’Malley supporters don’t defect to Sanders.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/hillary-bernie-math#.ttYbK9zrq

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#110254: Jan 30th 2016 at 9:56:28 PM

How long will O'Malley stay in the game? He can't be that well funded (he isn't rich enough to fund his own campaign) to stay in after NH if he constantly gets single digit support in the first two primaries.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Shawnsummer7 Since: Jan, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#110255: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:06:44 PM

[up]He's either delusional or playing spoiler at this point.

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Lost in Space
#110256: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:08:09 PM

I have yet to meet an O'Malley supporter, so I have no way of predicting whether they would naturally gravitate towards Clinton or Sanders once he inevitably drops out.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#110257: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:12:31 PM

[up]Sanders is the second choice of 57% of O'Malley supporters, while only 27% would select Clinton.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/267573-poll-omalleys-iowa-backers-prefer-sanders-to-clinton

That's why the Clinton campaign has been instructed to shift caucusers to O'Malley to keep him viable, rather than allow those votes go to Sanders. It influences the delegate count.

edited 30th Jan '16 10:22:47 PM by SolipsistOwl

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#110258: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:44:12 PM

How would a Trump/Sanders ticket go?

Keep Rolling On
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#110259: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:45:35 PM

Wait ticket? I think you mean race.

And a race between them could go fucking anywhere, especially as we've got the possibility of a Bloomberg third party run.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Know-age Since: May, 2010
#110260: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:48:42 PM

Bloomberg/Trump/Sanders would be basically (neo)Liberalism vs (crypto)Fascism vs (democratic)Socialism aka 1040s II.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#110261: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:50:02 PM

[up][up] No, I mean Ticket. Theoretically, I mean both of them in office.

Keep Rolling On
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#110262: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:51:26 PM

Oh Trump would probably assault Sanders and the ticket would collapse within minutes.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#110263: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:51:44 PM

Probably murder

Oh really when?
SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#110264: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:53:31 PM

On Bloomberg:

As servers at the makeshift Bloomberg TV studio inside the Marriott hotel passed trays of canapes and flutes of champagne to journalists and political operatives, the results were revealed: The man footing the bill for the event had a higher unfavorability rating compared with every other candidate, Democrat and Republican, with two exceptions: Jeb Bush and Sarah Palin.

The survey found that 41 percent of likely Republican caucus-goers and 57 percent of likely Democratic caucus-goers do not know Bloomberg well enough to share an opinion. For those who do know him, 50 percent of Republican caucus-goers have an unfavorable view of the former New York Mayor, versus just 9 percent who hold a favorable opinion.

Among those likely to attend the Democratic caucuses, 26 percent had an unfavorable view and 17 percent had a favorable view. Bush had a 53 percent unfavorability rating while Palin had a 50 percent unfavorability.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/01/iowa-poll-bloomberg-218467

edited 30th Jan '16 10:55:47 PM by SolipsistOwl

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#110265: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:54:16 PM

[up][up][up][up]They'd probably kill each other.

Hopefully it'd be done in a classic duel of Chainsaw-Gun-Nunchuckmanship that the Presidents of yore engaged in.

edited 30th Jan '16 10:55:28 PM by Ekuran

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#110266: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:01:18 PM

The Tea Party doesn't believe in government, and wants to basically put things in perpetual shutdown if they cannot make us some Dominionist hellscape.

And Marco Rubio, as their darling, would do all that and more. And hopefully - hopefully - Cruz gets nowhere near the White House he would be a complete and total unlikeable disaster.

We...kinda need Trump to win the nomination. At least if he somehow wins the general election, there'll be a State instead of a Theocracy or a deadlocked wreck.

I am confident in Hillary / Bernie's ability to defeat the Trumpenfuhrer, but until the general election, march on you wacky, storming nincompoops.

edited 30th Jan '16 11:02:55 PM by NickTheSwing

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#110267: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:02:46 PM

17% of Dems and 9% of Republicans is enough voters to screw the Dems out of a win.

[up] A state maybe but a Facist state it would be.

edited 30th Jan '16 11:06:25 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#110268: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:15:11 PM

It's terrible that that's the least bad of the three most viable Republican candidates.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#110269: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:18:21 PM

A fascist state is still a state. We can come back from that.

We can't come back from total economic collapse and government shutdown.

Oh really when?
Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#110270: Jan 31st 2016 at 12:11:10 AM

Honestly, a Trump/Sanders ticket might result in the first time the population has elected a President and Vice president from different tickets. Trump supporters Loath Bernie almost, if not more than Bernie supporters do Trump.

I'm baaaaaaack
NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#110271: Jan 31st 2016 at 12:22:10 AM

Yeah it is rather telling when a literal fascist is somehow not the worst option.

...cmon Trumpenfuhrer, pull through...I know you can. Cruz's position is weakening, his number of dedicated voters slipping.

Seriously, Cruz's messianic delusions are scary.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#110272: Jan 31st 2016 at 1:57:20 AM

Something perhaps to remember is that the winner in Iowa isn't always the Democrat nominee. In '72 and '76 there were more 'uncommitted' votes than votes for the eventual nominee (McGovern was 3rd in '72). In 1988 Dukakis trailed Dick Gephardt and Paul Simon (sorry, who?), in 1992 Bill Clinton was fourth with only *3%* of the Iowa caucus vote, behind Tom Harkin, 'Uncomitted', and Paul Tsongas, who would later also win New Hampshire.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#110274: Jan 31st 2016 at 4:52:02 AM

Millennial political views don't make any sense. According to the Atlantic.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#110275: Jan 31st 2016 at 4:57:11 AM

I doubt you'd ever get a coherent political view from any survey when you lump together the opinions of billions of people connected only by their age bracket.


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