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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#110076: Jan 29th 2016 at 2:50:07 PM

[up]If it weren't for Secretary Clinton, we wouldn't have even been in Libya. There wouldn't be a Benghazi or E-mail scandal.

Clinton was a hawk that escalated and radicalized the Middle East. Her tenure as Secretary of State is fair game to scrutinize.

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#110077: Jan 29th 2016 at 2:51:10 PM

It's not that Clinton did the speeches, but that she refuses to release even transcripts. What did she say?

What, at the speeches? Or in the emails?

The emails as I said before just wait out for the FBI to finish them. For the speeches...I am pretty sure you can find the title of what she was hired to do the speeches for if you can find out their dates online.

Clinton was a hawk that escalated and radicalized the Middle East. Her tenure as Secretary of State is fair game to scrutinize.

And Colin Powell was not? Condolezza Rice?

And I am not going to point out just at the republicans, really. Every political party of the U.S looks, to an outsider, as needlesly hawkish, I must say

edited 29th Jan '16 2:53:51 PM by Aszur

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Nihlus1 Since: Jul, 2015
#110078: Jan 29th 2016 at 2:51:14 PM

If it weren't for Secretary Clinton, we wouldn't have even been in Libya.
French arms manufacturers say hi.

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#110079: Jan 29th 2016 at 2:52:30 PM

[up][up]Clinton's Goldman Sachs speeches. She was asked by a journalist just last week if she would release transcripts, and she literally laughed in his face.

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#110080: Jan 29th 2016 at 2:53:52 PM

I like that response. Good on her.

Oh really when?
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#110081: Jan 29th 2016 at 2:59:07 PM

[up][up]That would be because they are not hers. They are Goldman Sachs'

And even then you can see the titles

http://www.goldmansachs.com/our-thinking/archive/builders-and-innovators-2013-index.html

Is one, for example. It's just business bullshit speeches man. they happen all the time. And the speakers charge incredulously ludicrous fees. The wife of an expresident with a juris doctorate from a harvard university can easily rake that money in and it wasnt just goldman sachs, it was also a canadian bank, Deutsche banks and Bank of America sorta peeps.

They do it all the time, seriously. Why do you think there are so many big ass convention centers all over the U.S? it is business culture to make those things all the fucking time it is actually impressive.

edited 29th Jan '16 2:59:31 PM by Aszur

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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#110082: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:00:51 PM

[up]How would a speech Clinton ostensibly wrote herself belong to someone else? If she's the nominee, I look forward to seeing the tapes of these speeches anonymously dropped off at the RNC.

The link you provided shows no such speech titles or any mention of Clinton.

edited 29th Jan '16 3:02:59 PM by SolipsistOwl

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#110083: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:09:32 PM

I think the point that's being made here, as I understand it, is that the majority of the thread here consider the speeches irrelevant since they're just basic capitalism. She provided a service and got payment for said service. Just happens said service pays stupidly good.

The emails are haranguing her for something a majority of her accusers are just as guilty of in an attempt to weaken her candidacy and, if there is any true illegality that's for the FBI to work out.

Do I have the gist about right?

edited 29th Jan '16 3:10:23 PM by sgamer82

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#110084: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:10:18 PM

How would a speech Clinton ostensibly wrote herself belong to someone else?
Because that's how for-hire products work? If someone pays you to make something for them, then after you make it, it belongs to them, because they paid for it, rather than to you because you made it. Including intellectual property like speeches.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#110085: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:11:49 PM

[up]You guys are only assuming that's the case. Why wouldn't Clinton simply say "non-disclosure," or whatever, rather than laughing in a journalist's face?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#110086: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:14:06 PM

[up]A fair question. First thought is that perhaps it's a question the reporter, if not public at large, should already have known the answer to, making it an absurd question to ask.

Second thought is to wonder if it was actual mocking laughter or if there's some additional context that's being missed.

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#110088: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:17:05 PM

are they still going on about Benghazi? here:

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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#110089: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:18:18 PM

She has made speeches for people as varied as:

The American Camp Association of New York and New Jersey.

University of Buffalo

Goldman Sachs

Deutsche Bank

University of Minnesota

Several others and yes, many many banks

Womens right conferences

And here are some of Bills

So, I dont get it. It is not related to her job as a state sec, and it is not related to her task as a candidate. Would be like demanding to scrutinize Trump's Taj Mahal emails because he bunked it so hard, but no one is making a stink of it

Why wouldn't Clinton simply say "non-disclosure," or whatever, rather than laughing in a journalist's face?

because as mentioned above, people getting paid for speeches, even ludicrous amount, is seriously common knowledge.

Seriously, hiring famous people for speeches is incredibly common.

edited 29th Jan '16 3:21:54 PM by Aszur

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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#110090: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:20:30 PM

What don't you get? Clinton is the only candidate saying she'll "take-on" the big banks, Wall Street, etc., while also being the only candidate actively taking millions from those very interest groups. It's a conflict of interest.

She's even leaving the campaign trail in Iowa to do back-to-back finance industry fundraisers.

This one is co-hosted by Matt Mallow, a senior managing director and general counsel at Black Rock, the world’s largest asset management firm.

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/26/hillary-clinton-doing-back-to-back-finance-industry-fundraisers-just-before-iowa/

edited 29th Jan '16 3:22:18 PM by SolipsistOwl

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#110091: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:23:39 PM

The only one?

Hasnt sanders been known to speak about breaking the banks and whatnot as well?

And, yeah. That is basically her job. Would be stupid of her to say no to that money. heck if she doesnt want the job I will take it!

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#110092: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:24:08 PM

[up]Has Sanders also accepted millions from the big banks? No.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#110093: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:26:06 PM

When mentioning Sanders, I am refering to the "take on" concept...

You said Hillary said she would "take on banks" and that she was the ONLY candidate that said so, but Ithought Sanders was the same.

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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
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#110095: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:27:38 PM

Hmm, this is a dense one here. Look, if you don't like the fact that politicians get speaking fees from big companies, that's fine. That's a legitimate position to take. But to claim that it disqualifies someone from the Presidency, or is in any way unlawful, is just plain false. You sound like one of the people hate-posting on Krugman's blog because he dares to criticize Sanders' health care plan.

edited 29th Jan '16 3:28:17 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#110096: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:29:15 PM

I never claimed that Clinton's speaking fees disqualify her from the presidency? It disqualifies her from my vote, sure. Don't put words in my mouth.

In 2005, Krugman wrote in favor of single-payer healthcare. Why did he change his mind?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/13/opinion/one-nation-uninsured.html

edited 29th Jan '16 3:32:41 PM by SolipsistOwl

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#110097: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:31:49 PM

And that's also false. Sanders' plan was scored by the CBO and it contains assumptions about future costs that are nowhere to be derived from the substance of the proposal itself. Look, we don't put up with this stuff on TV Tropes. With everything that comes out of your mouth, you are proving the criticisms of Sander's little hate squads true and helping to discredit him as a candidate. Chill out before you make things worse.

edited 29th Jan '16 3:32:26 PM by Fighteer

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SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#110098: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:33:54 PM

[up]So far, I'm the only one providing sources for everything I've stated.

Again, why did Krugman change his mind on single-payer between '05 and now?

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#110099: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:34:48 PM

Either you edited the "while" after, or I did not notice it.

But either way, it still is hard to see "she is paid to do a job like everyone else in her station!"

Like Bush

Like Trump

In examination of the highest speaking fees ever paid puts Donald Trump Donald Trump on top with the staggering $1.5 million the Learning Annex paid him for each speech he delivered at the company’s real estate “wealth expos” in 2006 and 2007, more than was earned from addresses by former U.S. President Ronald Reagan and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair

Or Reagan, or Rudy Giuliani, Alan Greenspan, Sarah Palin...

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#110100: Jan 29th 2016 at 3:36:14 PM

[up]Is your only argument that Clinton takes money just as much as Republicans?


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