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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Oh come now. Comparing them with The Troubles? They are not in nearly the same situation. They are just idiots who think they are important cuz they found ideological circlejerks online and think they have an army.
They are like anonymous but unlike anon they cant actually harm shit online and so they take to the only way an uneducatedm unskilled imbecile can do harm: A gun. I doubt they could even make an IED unless they accidentally lit themselves on fire while drunk.
Oh Cruz. You are crazy but Trump still has you beat. E for effort though. Have a Gold Star on your forehead for your pursuit of happiness through douchebaggery
edited 28th Jan '16 9:02:48 AM by Aszur
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesThat's not true, unfortunately. The FBI keeps close tabs on these homegrown militants because they can and have carried out successful bombings and other attacks in the past. That they are not as violent or as virulent as al Qaeda is more from a lack of support than a lack of intent. The American political landscape doesn't really condone these dudes and views them as comical. They can't find enough motivated people to join their cause to make it a credible terrorist force.
Ironically, we enjoy too much freedom and social stability to generate the necessary hatred to inspire fanatical terrorist attacks except among a tiny group of delusional paranoiacs. Don't make the mistake of thinking that their ineffectiveness at a national level means they aren't dangerous individually.
One other thing: There is no real tradition of suicide attacks in the American militant movement. These guys hate everything government and police-related, but they want to survive. That strictly limits what they can accomplish.
edited 28th Jan '16 9:04:28 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Any idiot with a gun can kill dozens of people. It is the only way they could ever get to be someone in their lives, considering they have no chance of going anywhere.
Unless they get into reality TV.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesSo far as we know, the Oregon militia hasn't attacked the police, except for Lavoy Finicum, who got killed for his trouble. The issue isn't so much that Y'all Qaeda is being handled badly, just that the American justice system doesn't show the same restraint or professionalism with black lawbreakers.
The people salivating at the idea of them getting slaughtered by the Federals need to have a word with themselves. Trying to resolve things peacefully should be the first priority in any law enforcement situation, only to be abandoned if there is no other option.
edited 28th Jan '16 9:16:13 AM by Achaemenid
Schild und Schwert der ParteiWe're just tired of their BS and of how much the police go out of their way to avoid violence with the militia assholes while being only to happy to arrest and shoot minorities for far more trivial offenses than occupying a federal building and/or threatening an armed conflict with federal officials.
edited 28th Jan '16 9:33:17 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Something worth noting is that, since the occupiers have set up camp in a Federal building, they're officially the FBI's responsibility. Meanwhile, all the stories of trigger happy police officers we've heard lately? Those have all been about local police officers; I can't recall any that involved FBI agents. Notably, the only shooting that's occurred so far happened when some local cops pulled over the occupiers' car; at the actual site of the occupation, where the FBI is in charge, things have been peaceful.
So maybe the lesson to take away from all this is that the FBI is much better at deescalating these sorts of situations than your average local police officer.
I believe that the FBI was involved in the arrest at the traffic stop. It was a deliberate move to take those individuals into custody, not a random stop that happened to catch involve them. The guy that was killed is on the record as saying that he'd die before he let himself be arrested, so I don't find it hard to believe that he put himself in a situation where killing him was the only available option.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.Reports indicate that one vehicle involved in the stop tried to evade the roadblock and became stuck in snow. One of its occupants emerged brandishing a weapon and was shot and killed. And yes, it was a deliberate interception of those militants by the FBI.
edited 28th Jan '16 9:45:43 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"The guy who got shot was that Finicum guy, who was recorded saying he'd rather die than end up in a cell. So the idea that he attempted suicide by cop is probably pretty accurate.
And quite frankly, we really don't need the FBI or local cops giving those guys the blaze of glory martyrdom that they want. I understand the frustration regarding how differently black people are treated and all, but deciding that just shooting everyone is the way to get equality is the shit stupidest, most unhelpful way to achieve that. Anyone suggesting that they ought to do such isn't helping the situation.
The part about minorities (by which people mean "black", because Asians almost never got shot by the police) getting shot for nothing is horribly exaggerated, by the way. Blacks are half of all police killers,
◊ nearly half of all murderers,
◊ yet rather less than half
◊ of all police shootings. And 4/5 of police shootings are of armed suspects/criminals, with the last 1/5 likely being the result of the possibility that the suspect COULD be armed. That's what happens when your country is handgun central, the cops and civilians develop a culture of fear. Contrast the UK; they don't have nearly as many police killings of unarmed people, but then again a grand total of zero British officers in 2015 were killed by guns, vs several dozen (39) Americans.
A siege is also rather different from most situations where someone gets shot.
edited 28th Jan '16 11:29:12 AM by Nihlus1
Nihilus your numbers on black people shot by the police are wrong, as it only counts the justified ones, thus it doesn't count the unarmed black people getting shot.
Also it's a raw numbers thing and not a percentage compared to percentage of the population thing, which is what you'd need. Plus you don't source your thing beyond the picture, we've no idea where it came from.
Please repeat statistics 101, you appear to have failed it.
edited 28th Jan '16 11:29:35 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranWaco was a situation in which Federal agents committed some serious situational errors, but it cannot be forgotten that the whole thing started when a lawful warrant was served on the occupants of the compound and law enforcement officers were met with the threat of violence.
Police have the lawful right to enter a premises and serve a warrant. Impeding this right is in and of itself a felony offense. The error at Waco was that the cops failed to properly de-escalate the situation, not that it was their fault to begin with. The residents of that compound killed themselves rather than face capture.
The idea that this event is the justification for armed insurrection is frivolous. It serves only to reinforce a pre-existing belief system. The error of Waco and related incidents is that the agents, by failing to handle the situation properly, made it worse, but that is not the same as saying that they "murdered helpless civilians".
The residents of the compound, just like the occupants of Malheur, were engaged in unlawful behavior for which the police were entirely justified by their rights and duties to arrest them. At no point is it justified to shoot back at a law enforcement officer who is engaged in the execution of his duty.
I guarantee you that if the occupants of Malheur were immigrants, or BLM activists or whatever, Bundy's "militiamen" would be marching up there to smoke 'em out, not support them.
Also, Nihlus, your attempt to poison-pill Bernie Sanders on the basis of economics was a clue, but now you've given yourself away as a right-wing concern troll by standing up for these assholes.
edited 28th Jan '16 11:38:44 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"The obvious problem with those numbers isn't with the number who are being killed by the police.
Based on that data, Mr. Moskos reported that roughly 49 percent of those killed by officers from May 2013 to April 2015 were white, while 30 percent were black. He also found that 19 percent were Hispanic and 2 percent were Asian and other races.
Oh wait, I've got it. Having a basic education in economics, that's the right wing troll giveaway.
Also, more than 20 children died at Waco. You can see why no one wants to repeat it.
edited 28th Jan '16 11:53:30 AM by Nihlus1
Edit 2:
Thign is we're specifically talking about the unjustified ones, what percentage of unjustified police shooting victims do blacks make up? That's the number that matters, I don't think people are particularly bothered about armed people being shot by the police, it's the unarmed ones we care about, and they seem to mainly be black.
As for Waco, has anyone in this situation actually called for a guns blazing approach? That seems like a strawman.
edited 28th Jan '16 11:57:19 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

Double Post: Apparently, Ted Cruz made a show of sending bottled water to Flint, Michigan residents, but only to the ones who support banning abortion
. I can't make this shit up.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"