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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#109876: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:08:07 PM

It's because they're "true believers." That can validate any action they take, and invalidate any action (perceived to be) taken against them.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#109877: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:09:08 PM

They drank some serious kool aid.

Oh really when?
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#109878: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:11:58 PM

They're stupid fuckheads.

edited 27th Jan '16 11:12:14 PM by Ekuran

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#109879: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:13:42 PM

Didn't Bundy himself tell them to stop?

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#109881: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:41:42 PM

Communist Illuminati confirmed.

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#109882: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:59:01 PM

All we can do is hope the situation is de-escalated without further violence.

We don't need another Waco, which directly inspired the Oklahoma City Bombing. What would this inspire if the government overstepped?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#109883: Jan 28th 2016 at 12:00:46 AM

Probably some more bombings, maybe some police shootings, angrier and more "justified" Republican party.

Oh really when?
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#109884: Jan 28th 2016 at 12:24:04 AM

Solipsist, these guys have basically invaded and occupied a federal wildlife reserve. The feds would have to go pretty far to overstep at this point, and at least one of the occupiers is now calling for others to actively shoot and kill.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#109885: Jan 28th 2016 at 1:43:11 AM

The really sad part is that if these guys just up and left now, nobody would bother arresting them.

Seriously, shots have been fired. While I may be a tad biased in that I've been advocating for a hard response from the beginning, now there is absolutely no reason to treat these guys as anything but armed insurgents.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#109886: Jan 28th 2016 at 1:44:18 AM

Unfortunately there is. Given the current political climate the absolute last thing we need is another Waco or Ruby Ridge.

Oh really when?
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#109887: Jan 28th 2016 at 1:48:16 AM

I've stated my position on that upthread, so I won't rehash it.

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#109888: Jan 28th 2016 at 2:26:22 AM

For some, the issue is not only are the militants being treated softly, but that people who are not militants are being treated harshly.note 

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#109889: Jan 28th 2016 at 2:37:51 AM

Well, of course. The militants are willing and able to fight back.

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#109890: Jan 28th 2016 at 2:55:02 AM

I would advocate complete annihilation of these louts, and I would argue if any others step forward as a result, they get the same.

They're nothing but armed insurgents and thus deserve a painful end.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#109891: Jan 28th 2016 at 3:30:20 AM

Fox News got in a pretty funny zinger on Trump's refusal to debate.

We learned from a secret back channel that the Ayatollah and Putin both intend to treat Donald Trump unfairly when they meet with him if he becomes president — a nefarious source tells us that Trump has his own secret plan to replace the Cabinet with his Twitter followers to see if he should even go to those meetings.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#109892: Jan 28th 2016 at 6:54:40 AM

Clinton 'would consider' Obama as a Supreme Court justice In my view he'd be better as some kind of international goodwill ambassador ala Jimmy Carter. Obama is apparently very popular international, especially in Africa.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#109893: Jan 28th 2016 at 6:59:55 AM

Well the guy has a magna cum laude from Harvard.

As opposed to Sanders' bach degree or Trump's fake degrees.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#109894: Jan 28th 2016 at 7:03:15 AM

You know the world has gotten weird when Fox is the sympathetic party AND funny...

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#109895: Jan 28th 2016 at 7:06:41 AM

Someone promised there would be civil war if one of the Wallmartyrs was shot.

Where is the civil war, dammit. I wanna see some drunken idiot try to charge in to a U.S Army camp with his pickup truck while shooting wildly and see Trump or Rand Paul try to excuse them.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#109896: Jan 28th 2016 at 8:00:37 AM

Lawrence O'Donnell's show on MSNBC last night featured a video released by the occupiers that was a battle cry to their supporters to come to Malheur and kill any FBI agent who gets in their way. It's as much a declaration of war as it's possible to achieve for people with such limited numbers. The Civil War was fought with armies. There are no such armies to be found among the Yeehawdists. They may fight, but they will die. The concern is that they will leave a wake of sympathizers behind who will be inspired to more acts of insurrection.

Also, I watched Rachel Maddow's town hall in Flint Michigan about the water crisis. She interviewed a local master plumber who discussed the scope and cost of replacing all the town's residential water pipes and the availability of labor to commit to such a project. At a cost of $10-15K per home, he says that a team of up to 1,000 workers could renovate one street per week, and he knows how to recruit them. Multiplied by 30,000 residential homes in Flint, that's $300 to 400 million, and not all of them will require pipe replacement.

Rick Snyder's administration has discussed a timeline of 12 to 16 years to complete that work. Someone is full of shit and I don't think it's the plumber. The state of Michigan has a "rainy day" fund of $1.2 billion. It could pay for this if it wanted to. The whole thing just makes me seethe.

I'd link to both shows but MNSBC keeps its content locked up behind scripted cable-provider-login walls.

Edited to add: Michael Moore appeared on Lawrence O'Donnell's show, and for once I agree with him: the Snyder administration should be handled like people who conspired in the accidental murder of 10 people.

edited 28th Jan '16 8:48:35 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#109897: Jan 28th 2016 at 8:39:07 AM

what is more likely is a series of bombings, suicide if you're lucky (since that kills off the idiots, meaning there is one less idiot to worry about) and a campaign similar to the nastier parts of The Troubles if you're not

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Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#109898: Jan 28th 2016 at 8:42:13 AM

The worst thing to do would be to give them their blaze of glory.

Schild und Schwert der Partei
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#109899: Jan 28th 2016 at 8:42:41 AM

[up][up]And there are tropers here who would really appreciate not having either scenario come true where they live.

Sure, they deserve an ass-kicking, but a show of strength isn't going to do much good here.

edited 28th Jan '16 8:42:51 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#109900: Jan 28th 2016 at 8:46:26 AM

It's better for everyone if they are arrested and hauled off to jail. But if they shoot at police officers, they forfeit their lives. Heck, they're already enjoying an order of magnitude more privilege in that regard than would be afforded to blacks, especially by themselves.

edited 28th Jan '16 8:47:24 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

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