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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
The really sad part is that if these guys just up and left now, nobody would bother arresting them.
Seriously, shots have been fired. While I may be a tad biased in that I've been advocating for a hard response from the beginning, now there is absolutely no reason to treat these guys as anything but armed insurgents.
Fox News got in a pretty funny zinger on Trump's refusal to debate.
Clinton 'would consider' Obama as a Supreme Court justice
In my view he'd be better as some kind of international goodwill ambassador ala Jimmy Carter. Obama is apparently very popular international, especially in Africa.
Someone promised there would be civil war if one of the Wallmartyrs was shot.
Where is the civil war, dammit. I wanna see some drunken idiot try to charge in to a U.S Army camp with his pickup truck while shooting wildly and see Trump or Rand Paul try to excuse them.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesLawrence O'Donnell's show on MSNBC last night featured a video released by the occupiers that was a battle cry to their supporters to come to Malheur and kill any FBI agent who gets in their way. It's as much a declaration of war as it's possible to achieve for people with such limited numbers. The Civil War was fought with armies. There are no such armies to be found among the Yeehawdists. They may fight, but they will die. The concern is that they will leave a wake of sympathizers behind who will be inspired to more acts of insurrection.
Also, I watched Rachel Maddow's town hall in Flint Michigan about the water crisis. She interviewed a local master plumber who discussed the scope and cost of replacing all the town's residential water pipes and the availability of labor to commit to such a project. At a cost of $10-15K per home, he says that a team of up to 1,000 workers could renovate one street per week, and he knows how to recruit them. Multiplied by 30,000 residential homes in Flint, that's $300 to 400 million, and not all of them will require pipe replacement.
Rick Snyder's administration has discussed a timeline of 12 to 16 years to complete that work. Someone is full of shit and I don't think it's the plumber. The state of Michigan has a "rainy day" fund of $1.2 billion. It could pay for this if it wanted to. The whole thing just makes me seethe.
I'd link to both shows but MNSBC keeps its content locked up behind scripted cable-provider-login walls.
Edited to add: Michael Moore appeared on Lawrence O'Donnell's show, and for once I agree with him: the Snyder administration should be handled like people who conspired in the accidental murder of 10 people.
edited 28th Jan '16 8:48:35 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
And there are tropers here who would really appreciate not having either scenario come true where they live.
Sure, they deserve an ass-kicking, but a show of strength isn't going to do much good here.
edited 28th Jan '16 8:42:51 AM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotIt's better for everyone if they are arrested and hauled off to jail. But if they shoot at police officers, they forfeit their lives. Heck, they're already enjoying an order of magnitude more privilege in that regard than would be afforded to blacks, especially by themselves.
edited 28th Jan '16 8:47:24 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

It's because they're "true believers." That can validate any action they take, and invalidate any action (perceived to be) taken against them.