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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#109801: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:10:18 PM

Coming in here with a Trump avatar (and a proxy network, no less) will just get you bounced, mmkay? Get over yourselves.

It wouldn't surprise me that some Sanders supporters have been verbally abusive. They are a pretty opinionated lot. There've been informal social media campaigns dedicated to attacking anyone who dares criticize him.

Sanders shares some important attributes with Trump. In particular, he gathers to himself voters who have become disaffected by the centrist, wealth-dominated political establishment, of which Hillary Clinton on the Democratic side and Bush/Rubio/etc. on the Republican side are unabashed members. It would not surprise me to see some Trumpites flock to the Sanders camp should the former lose the nomination. Sanders, however, does not support anything resembling Trump's fundamentally bigoted agenda.

edited 27th Jan '16 1:14:02 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#109802: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:13:01 PM

[up][up]Ok so that was crushed as a troll post. Was it not true or something?
It was flamebait. Guy named Trump Card with a Donald Trump avatar was noting a female reporter whose name I didn't memorize was being harassed by Bernie Supporters. For w/e reason, his supporters, after Trump's, are the biggest tools you can encounter online.

Sanders shares some important attributes with Trump. In particular, he gathers to him voters who have become disaffected by the centrist, wealth-dominated political establishment, of which Hillary Clinton on the Democratic side and Bush/Rubio/etc. on the Republican side are unabashed members. It would not surprise me to see some Trumpites flock to the Sanders camp should the former lose the nomination. Sanders, however, does not support anything resembling Trump's fundamentally bigoted agenda.
Reminds me of the UKIP vs Labour, UKIP's biggest voting bloc are disaffected Labour voters who felt Labour betrayed them in the 80s/90s by letting Thatcher crush the unions and then turned into a posh centrist-left party led by kids born and raised in the Political Class. I think a number of them swing back with Corbyn, who is similar to Sanders' in same political context. Not exact 1:1, but similarities arise.

edited 27th Jan '16 1:15:31 PM by PotatoesRock

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#109803: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:13:45 PM

You don't even let me see the funny trumpites posts :(

Great words and stupid words should be preserved for posterity and hilarity respectively

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#109804: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:14:29 PM

Aw man I never would have thought of Trump Card.

Damn.

Oh really when?
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#109805: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:15:35 PM

That's two in two days.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#109806: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:16:09 PM

Let's be honest, that's one under two handles within two days.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#109807: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:17:47 PM

Should we be thumping these posts? I mean, even if it's just intended to provoke, it seems a tad counterproductive to the debate to be censoring arguments in Trump's favor.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#109808: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:19:27 PM

Look, it's one thing to promote freedom of thought and expression, but it's another to condone blatant trolling, which is all that someone posting with a Trump avatar from a proxy network brings to the table.

We are not required by any law or policy to accept noxious forms of argument on our site.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#109809: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:20:43 PM

[up]

Plus, his post was about alleged harassment of Sarah Jeong by Sanders supporters, of which I've turned up literally nothing on Google, save for some articles about her book discussing internet harassment.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#109810: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:23:53 PM

Worth noting: Bernie supporters have engaged in campaigns of internet harassment; the cited case involves people criticizing his healthcare plan. Nobody is condoning this.

Edit: Of course, anyone from the Trump side who criticizes anyone else for harassment is full of shit.

edited 27th Jan '16 1:29:30 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Know-age Since: May, 2010
#109811: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:27:26 PM

Jeong has locked her twitter account so he may be onto something.

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#109812: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:27:44 PM

On a different subject, I was directed to this Republican primary debate between George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan. And what's changed, and what hasn't, is absolutely fascinating.

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#109813: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:33:17 PM

[up][up][up]Krugman wrote basically the same article in 2008 about Obama's supporters. This isn't the first time he's recycled talking points in favor of Clinton.

I won't try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody. I'm not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/opinion/11krugman.html?_r=0

edited 27th Jan '16 1:38:49 PM by SolipsistOwl

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#109815: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:37:02 PM

[up][up]I am not going to offer my own opinion on whether Krugman was correct to support Clinton over Obama then and over Sanders now. I will say that his concern about the danger of Obama's positions was ill-founded in retrospect. However, his criticisms of Obama's naivete in attempting to appeal to the good nature of the Republican Congress in 2009-2010 were spot on.

edited 27th Jan '16 1:40:12 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#109816: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:41:50 PM

[up][up]No polls show Clinton holding onto the "Obama coalition." Her base is increasingly white voters aged 50+.

http://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2016/01/26/caucuspoll

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#109817: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:49:22 PM

It's probably the same person. Someone incensed and with enough free time that they cannot tolerate their husbando being spoken ill of in a random topic on the interwebz. I mean, this isn't the sole subject in the forum. There's dozens of them, and we all go to different ones, this is just one of many.

The sole fact his handle avatar and everything are of eminent and unique political nature is enough to point out he doesn't care of the forums, the website or its purpose, and that this is not its main focus or anything. I can't really fault Fighteer for banning him but...I hate him for denying me my fun.

I want to hear the bellboy's words of rapt fascination as he speaks of the smoochy-lipped candidate's words as scripture and get my kicks off of watching such a phenomena. I am marveled at cognitive distortions.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#109820: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:55:23 PM

Since he's gone, does anyone have a cite for Clinton campaigning for segregation or even a lie claiming she did.

It just seems weird because when younger, she actually went under cover to investigate school segregation.

edited 27th Jan '16 1:58:33 PM by Hodor2

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#109821: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:56:32 PM

[up]

Except Trump has gone on the record as wanting to "kill the families" of ISIS members, which is a direct violation of the Geneva Convention.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#109822: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:56:40 PM

How determined do you have to be to keep doing this in this thread of all places?

Oh really when?
SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#109823: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:56:58 PM

Trump's base is consistently the Millennial vote: he controls over 50% of Republican voters aged 18 - 25.

Since Millennials are the least racist demographic in America, I imagine these voters don't actually support Trump, and are just trolling pollsters like 'Deez Nuts' was last year.

edited 27th Jan '16 1:57:31 PM by SolipsistOwl

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#109824: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:56:59 PM

[up]x6: That was a relatively old account created to troll, using a known proxy network. Just wasn't ID'ed until now.

[up] Trump enjoys a lot of support from people who resent the establishment, just as Sanders does. Not all of them are overtly racist, but I will note that, while millennials may not be racist themselves, they are often blind to systemic racism because they have been brought up to believe that it is a thing of the past.

edited 27th Jan '16 2:01:10 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#109825: Jan 27th 2016 at 1:57:56 PM

It seems we've incurred the wrath of an internet troll.


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