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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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They're both anti-immigration (because they think unskilled immigrants are taking all the jobs) and extremely anti-free trade (the WTO is anti-American!), with a special dislike for China and NAFTA in particular. They also have similar stances on gun control.
edited 26th Jan '16 3:25:20 PM by Nihlus1
Well I hardly think special dislike for China is bad
. As long as it is defined as the current semi Communist Superpower about to surpass us in economic strength, and not the ethnic group, especially since their is another country calling itself China out their. I have confidence Sanders understand the distinction, Trump, and his supporters, I doubt that very much.
Yeah because China is going to pull 7,000,000 millions of US$ (the GDP difference between the US and China (also know as the entire GDP of Germany and the UK combined)) of growth out of a hat, even know it missed its own growth targets in the last quarter of 2015. Come on Jack, at least try with your China fearmongering bullshit.
edited 26th Jan '16 3:38:16 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyranedited 26th Jan '16 3:42:53 PM by Nihlus1
Wait a fucking minute, how is Sanders immigrant policies which is focuses in preventing the excessive gentrification and exploitative laissez faire business practices pushing down people to bellow minimum wage comparable to Trump's "see all those brown people? Fuck 'em, shoot 'em and kick 'em outta here" immigration policy?
edited 26th Jan '16 3:48:22 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesHis entire economic policy is based around the lump of labor fallacy.
edited 26th Jan '16 4:03:02 PM by Nihlus1
No. They both oppose "large numbers of unskilled workers" being brought in because "they compete with [unemployed] kids". It's not that they just oppose completely open borders, it's that they think immigration period is bad for the economy because dey took err jerbs.
I don't see why there's still confusion about this. Sanders stated cleanly and plainly why he opposes immigration. Because he thinks they're taking American jobs. Do you seriously not see the logic he's using? Or the problem with said logic?
edited 26th Jan '16 4:00:01 PM by Nihlus1
@Nihlus1: If that was once Sanders' policy, it is not now
. So do us a favor and stop poisoning the well. You're starting to sound like a Trumpite.
edited 26th Jan '16 4:11:45 PM by Fighteer
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I hate having to link the same article for the fourth time, but no.
He is against immigration. Because of the lump of labor fallacy. This is why his support among the Latino community is like 20%. This will screw him in important borderline states Florida.
“You bring a lot of unskilled workers into this country, what do you think happens to that 36 percent?”
[His opposition to guest worker programs is BS too btw; Without guest worker programs those workers are either staying in their home nations and working a lower paid job or they're sneaking across the border to work as illegal immigrants...at lower pay and worse working conditions. Guest worker programs are very good for immigrants]
Explain exactly how increased immigration is conducive to his clearly stated stance that America doesn't have enough jobs and that immigrants should stop taking them.
Stop denying what Sanders is actually saying, you're starting to sound like a Sanders supporter.
It's impossible to actually talk about his policies if you're twisting them into the exact opposite of his stated meaning.
edited 26th Jan '16 4:36:04 PM by Nihlus1
If Sanders wants amnesty for illegal immigrants that are already here, a means for citizenship would obviously solve the problem of jobs being in the hands of immigrants, because they'll then be in the hands of Americans.
But coming from his focus on exploitation (which of course can be scrutinized), he would also have to account for illegal immigrants that come here in the future, to prevent the same situation from happening again, and so it's not all that surprising that he would move in the direction of restrictions and regulations rather than a more open border.
edited 26th Jan '16 4:23:39 PM by Eschaton
Sanders being in favour of reduced unskilled immigration is not the same as Trump, Trump wants no migration, believes most Central American immigrants are criminals (compared to Sanders seeing them (rightly or wrongly) as victims), wants to deport those already here and ban all Muslims.
edited 26th Jan '16 4:30:01 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranSpeaking of which. If I did sound like a Trumpite, I'd be opposing immigration, saying that poor immigrants are stealing American jobs, fear-mongering about China, opposing free trade, and saying that our entire trade relation with China is a mistake. I do not do these things. I have spent my time here pointing out why these things are stupid.
Klein But it would make ...
Sanders Excuse me ...
Klein It would make a lot of global poor richer, wouldn’t it?
Sanders It would make everybody in America poorer—you're doing away with the concept of a nation state.…
What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don’t believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.
You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you’re a white high school graduate, it’s 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African-American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?
I see zero mentions of guest worker programs, and several mentions of just "immigration".
What part of "You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?" is so ambiguous? How can he both support immigration AND believe in the lump of labor fallacy AND think that the USA doesn't have enough jobs to hand out?
X3 On the average illegal immigrant income, is that the average for low skilled Central Americans, or a much higher number due to the presence of middle class well educated individuals who've overstayed visas (often student ones)?
Because the average for all behind higher doesn't mean that Central Americans aren't being exploited.
Because one can support immigration without supporting large amounts of low wage immigration.
edited 26th Jan '16 4:43:30 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran![]()
Considering the source, the subject, and the other statistics quoted in the study, it's definitely not talking about overstaying students.
"Unskilled" immigration, you mean. But no, they really can't, because Sanders' whole point was that there's not enough jobs to go around.
EDIT: Everything Sanders says makes a lot more sense when you remember that he wants to please his union support base, and that he'll bend any of his stated principles to do so. See, for example, Sanders not saying anything about too big to fail when it comes to the auto companies, or about the tax payer burdening the expense of auto worker pensions. He was totally for the auto-bailout. His protectionist measures (tariffs + the termination of free trade agreements) would basically be letting one part of the country (unions, manufacturing industries) extract rent from the rest of the country through higher prices.
edited 26th Jan '16 4:56:27 PM by Nihlus1
You're right it's a median, thing is so is the US born number, illegal immigrants still earn only 3 quarters of what American born people do, and it doesn't ever grow for them.
Plus even if the "unskilled migrants being exploited" thing is a myth, that doesn't mean Sanders doesn't belive it and hasn't based his policy off it, politicians belive in and base policy on myths all the time.
edited 26th Jan '16 5:00:39 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyranedited 26th Jan '16 5:12:49 PM by Nihlus1

Sanders is to Trump as a banana peel on the road is to a landfill.
Edit- Weird page topper.
edited 26th Jan '16 3:20:38 PM by Hodor2