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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#109426: Jan 23rd 2016 at 10:43:51 PM

I'm a bit defensive over my dad, I'm sorry. Plus it's almost a quarter to one where I'm at and I'm losing focus over things.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#109427: Jan 23rd 2016 at 10:48:49 PM

The ironic thing about Trump is that he's one of the lobbyists, or at least known among their ranks before his run for president. And none of his supporters seem to fucking care in the least about any of that!
It's an amazing piece of cognitive dissonance.

The dislike for money is politics is something an incredibly large number of people in both parties actually agree on, something like 80-90%.

However, what those polls don't make clear is if they're upset about all money in politics, or the opposition's money in politics.

edited 23rd Jan '16 10:48:58 PM by Eschaton

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#109428: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:02:24 PM

Oddly enough, Trump's said he's against Citizen's United and feels it's wrong that he gets more political say than his average supporter, and it should be overturned by Congress.

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#109429: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:07:35 PM

Hillary Clinton is 'Obama 2.0'? That's a laugh. She's far more conservative and cynical than pragmatist Obama.

Has anyone been following the debates or town halls? Clinton has been espousing a much more conservative administration than Obama—especially in terms of foreign policy and criminal justice.

And that's without considering the $150 MILLION she and Bill have received from Wall Street since leaving office.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#109430: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:07:52 PM

[up][up] As has been said before, Trump has several liberal ideas, but is economically conservative and a bigot.

edited 23rd Jan '16 11:08:03 PM by tclittle

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#109431: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:09:46 PM

[up][up][up]If only he didn't put his money where his mouth is.

Shawnsummer7 Since: Jan, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#109432: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:10:44 PM

[up][up][up]As Rationalinsanity mentioned, big money loans aren't exclusive to Hillary, it happens with a lot of politicians.

[up][up]What liberal ideas does he have? (genuinely curious)

edited 23rd Jan '16 11:11:14 PM by Shawnsummer7

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#109433: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:16:14 PM

Overturn Citizen's United.

Set a flat Corporate Tax Rate of 15% with no funny loopholes or deductions.

He's willing to tolerate nation-wide Medical Marijuana but feels it's up to the states to decide.

He wants to keep Social Security and Medicare stable (but has espoused you should have the right to invest your Social Security account in the stock market)

He's said while he prefers Traditional Marriage only, he's willing to cede to the courts' judgement that nationwide Same-Sex Marriage is legal.

edited 23rd Jan '16 11:16:34 PM by PotatoesRock

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#109434: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:16:47 PM

According to quote an article online, he thinks affirmative action is ok. He also supports assault weapon bans, believes in a progressive tax, like social security, ect.

Leviticus 19:34
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#109435: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:20:02 PM

On the Citizens United thing, he sounds like he doesn't know how the courts work whenever he says it.

I was never looking forward to her, but at this rate, Hil seems to be my only option.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#109436: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:20:33 PM

He's reversed his position on assault weapons, actually, and wants to unban guns from military bases and recruiting centers. "He also supports national right to concealed carry and allow gun permits to be applicable to all 50 states much like a driver's license."

He also wants to scrap Obamacare in place of making the healthcare industry not have state restricted borders (basically turn it into a feeding frenzy survival of the fittest across the country among the insurance companies.)

edited 23rd Jan '16 11:21:13 PM by PotatoesRock

Shawnsummer7 Since: Jan, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#109437: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:23:57 PM

Already he's better than Cruz.

Still don't support him though.

SolipsistOwl Since: Jan, 2016
#109438: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:25:33 PM

[up][up][up]"Big money loans aren't exclusive to Hillary"

We should just resign ourselves to blatant political corruption?

Besides, I was referencing not campaign contributions, but literal post-office gifts for speeches Clinton refuses to release even transcripts for.

Who's to say someone won't leak those tapes to the RNC before the vote?

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#109439: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:25:36 PM

Like I said.

Trump, sans his massive racism, is a fucking moderate Republican.

He would be a return to normalcy in terms of governance, instead of Tea Party clownshoery.

That's the only only up I can see to him being president, is that he'd move the Overton window, oddly enough, back to the left.

We should just resign ourselves to blatant political corruption?
You need some level of corruption, sleaze and pork and back scratching oddly enough. Or you get the partisan gridlock we've been plagued with.

edited 23rd Jan '16 11:26:53 PM by PotatoesRock

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#109440: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:35:07 PM

Plot Twist: Donald Trump was born in Kenya.

Leviticus 19:34
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#109441: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:35:46 PM

[up][up][up]Was referring to Bernie's campaign promises, but whatever...

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#109442: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:35:48 PM

"Sans his massive racism" is rather missing the point of him, the BNP and Nazis were (I love being able to refer to the BNP in the past tense by the way) moderates "sans their massive racism", remember Trump has spoken in favour of internment camps and his dad was KKK.

Cruz might not be a team player, but I don't belive he's going round anyone up and put them in internment camps.

You wouldn't have a functioning government because Trump would do what Hitler did, burn the entire national economy to the ground trying to bring about his dream of racial supremacy and purity.

edited 23rd Jan '16 11:37:00 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#109443: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:37:39 PM

The Nazis actually wouldn't be moderate even excluding their racism. It's entirely possible to be fascist without being racist. They'd still be a militaristic, totalitarian state bent on global domination with a cult of personality. Not very moderate.

edited 23rd Jan '16 11:40:51 PM by Protagonist506

Leviticus 19:34
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#109444: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:40:31 PM

Moderate in the sense that they'd preserve a functioning government and entitlements for white people. I think the BMP always said that they'd support the British system as is, just with all the racial and religious minorities forced out.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#109445: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:43:14 PM

[up] I thought economically, the BNP were left-wing, supporting worker control of business and mass nationalisation?

Keep Rolling On
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#109446: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:45:51 PM

That's the only only up I can see to him being president, is that he'd move the Overton window, oddly enough, back to the left.
I'm really not so sure about that, since establishing the hatred that supports him as not only legitimate but successful political discourse could be a massive problem.

It's entirely possible to be fascist without being racist.
When was the last time that happened? Serious question. I understand they aren't inherently linked, but they do complement each other very well.

edited 23rd Jan '16 11:46:03 PM by Eschaton

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#109447: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:48:19 PM

@ Protagonist506

It's entirely possible to be fascist without being racist.

This is the only time I'd ever side with fascism.

Anyways, I'm not sure if this is on-topic or not, but given that it was endorsed by Sanders himself, according to this, I'll ask this here. Would The Big Short have been right in regards to how in bed politics is with big business and the recent stigma with immigrants due to finance?

edited 24th Jan '16 12:03:54 AM by HallowHawk

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#109448: Jan 23rd 2016 at 11:56:16 PM

Well maybe I'm speaking too strongly when I say "entirely possible", but it is true that Fascism isn't in and of itself racist so much as nationalist. Of course, it's a very tiny leap to combine ethnicity and nationality-which is probably where the correlation comes from. For example, a hypothetical Fascist (but non-racist) American state could theoretically just consider black people American nationals and not oppress them any more than they do anyone else.

From what I understand, Fascist Italy and Spain weren't particularly racist. In fact, IIRC it wasn't until Hitler that the two became closely associated.

edited 23rd Jan '16 11:59:59 PM by Protagonist506

Leviticus 19:34
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#109449: Jan 24th 2016 at 12:02:13 AM

[up][up][up]

Early Italian fascism, possibly. It was only after pressure from Nazi-Germany that they started deporting all the "undesirables". I think a Jewish community leader even swore their support for Mussolini, in the very beginning.

The Finnish fascist movement wasn't as concerned about race as it was national character. Although there were racists as well, and considering the lack of diversity in general it's hard to make any concrete judgements.

edited 24th Jan '16 12:04:37 AM by TerminusEst

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#109450: Jan 24th 2016 at 12:04:25 AM

[up] Are you replying to me or Protagonist 506?


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