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TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#109251: Jan 21st 2016 at 8:23:34 PM

Since in recent posts I've pointed out the massive difficulties facing Sanders about getting stuff passed and linked to an article or two talking about the lack of details he's made available for the implementation of said plans, I thought it might be fair to bring up the other side of the story too, and bring up some past and more detailed plans Bernie has shown about some of his proposals, specifically with Free State College and Health Coverage for everyone. So here are the text of bills that he has introduced in recent years in Congress about those subjects, and how they would work. Naturally the full text is in legalese, but some of the recent articles I've been reading probably do underestimate the amount of thought that gets put into these.

College Bill, Healthcare Bill.

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#109252: Jan 21st 2016 at 9:33:24 PM

I should note that Sanders can afford to assume MAGIC HAPPENS in his healthcare agenda, because there's no way it's ever making it to the table. He can also declare that he'll fund it by folding capital gains into income and raising the top income bracket, because he knows that he'll get shot down by "Republican obstructionism." (I use this in quotes because, in this case, it's taking a policy that the Republicans can't honestly be expected to tolerate and using them to get them to kill his promised legislation.)

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#109254: Jan 22nd 2016 at 1:40:01 AM

[up] Well, now. For all her flaws I can't say I can see Hillary joining the Republicans.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#109255: Jan 22nd 2016 at 2:26:12 AM

@The Wanderer

Just looking at the Healthcare Bill, I'm not that impressed for the simple reason that its too short. It runs to 188 pages, whilst the ACA is 2400 pages. The length of an act isn't the only factor, of course, but since there was no realistic proposal that either of those bills would pass, I'm skeptical that this was thought through rather than just cobbled together so Sanders could have his time on the Senate floor.

edited 22nd Jan '16 2:44:02 AM by Achaemenid

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#109256: Jan 22nd 2016 at 2:28:05 AM

[up] Doesn't it work off Medicaid though? So if we're looking at word count it may be worth folding Medicaid in.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
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Field Marshal of Cracked
#109257: Jan 22nd 2016 at 2:40:28 AM

[up][up][up][up]because your Republicans are in the pockets of the big insurance corporations and hate the idea of paying their fair share in tax to pay for the less well off to have a decent standard of living

edited 22nd Jan '16 7:43:23 AM by FieldMarshalFry

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#109258: Jan 22nd 2016 at 6:46:22 AM

So a question of the Democrats in the Senate, who's looking to take over as minority/majority leader from Reid? He's standing down at the election, genrally it seems that the whip will take over, so that's Dick Durbin, what are his stances on things? Is it possible that someone else will take the job? Have we got any whispers yet?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#109259: Jan 22nd 2016 at 7:07:53 AM

So a book just came out on Kindle, Trump Temptation: The Billionaire & The Bellboy, and @realDonaldTrump's response is simply "DELETE THIS BOOK NOW."... while linking to the tweet announcing the book.

edited 22nd Jan '16 7:10:02 AM by sgamer82

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#109260: Jan 22nd 2016 at 7:15:55 AM

Charles Schumer from New York is the designated successor of Reid. A contentious choice given his close affiliation to Wall Street.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#109261: Jan 22nd 2016 at 7:31:36 AM

22 Conservatives attack Donald Trump in the National Review

I wonder if this will change many minds, or instead feed even more into the narrative that corrupt establishment Republicans are trying to prevent meaningful change in the party. (Which, to be fair, is true)

Donald Trump must be stopped: That's the theme binding an avalanche of essays by conservative thought leaders — 22 in all — that the National Review sent thundering down the political mountain onto GOP voters late Thursday, along with an editorial by the magazine's editors.

With a massive winter storm expected along the East Coast this weekend, perhaps some of the 35 percent of Republicans who support the real estate mogul-reality TV star will be buried in actual snow, with nothing better to do than read all 9,000 words and change their minds.

Or perhaps they will dismiss "Against Trump" — the title of this special collection by one of the nation's preeminent conservative publications — as just another chorus of naysaying from the loathsome, out-of-touch "establishment."

The conservatives attacking him? They are: Glenn Beck, David Boaz, L. Brent Bozell III (the guy who founded the ridiculous "News Busters" website), Mona Charen, Ben Domenech, Erick Erickson, Steven F. Hayward, Mark Helprin, William Kristol, Yuval Levin, Dana Loesch, Andrew C. McCarthy, David M. McIntosh, Michael Medved, Edwin Meese III, Russell Moore, Michael B. Mukasey, Katie Pavlich, John Podhoretz, R. R. Reno, Thomas Sowell, Cal Thomas.

Methinks the establishment are terrified.

edited 22nd Jan '16 7:35:04 AM by BonsaiForest

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#109262: Jan 22nd 2016 at 7:37:00 AM

Meanwhile, a good chunk of establishment donors (the ones who have been desperately propping up the shambling corpse of Jeb Bush's campaign) are indicating that they will support Trump over Cruz if it looks like the latter might take the nomination. Pass the Popcorn.

edited 22nd Jan '16 7:38:32 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#109263: Jan 22nd 2016 at 7:44:37 AM

Heh, a snippet from Lindsey Graham's most recent interview-

"The only way we lose this election is to nominate somebody who cannot grow this party’s vote among minorities, young women, and the coalitions we need to win," Graham told reporters on Capitol Hill. "If you nominate Trump and Cruz I think you’d get the same outcome. Whether it’s death by being shot or poisoning, does it really matter? I don’t think the outcome will be substantially different."

edited 22nd Jan '16 7:45:02 AM by carbon-mantis

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#109264: Jan 22nd 2016 at 7:46:32 AM

Ha, joke's on him. The people supporting Trump don't give a damn about the votes of minorities or young women and they have no interest in coalition building. And these are the very people that Graham and his buddies have cultivated as their own base of political support, telling them for years how feminists and minorities and furriners were trying to screw them.

edited 22nd Jan '16 7:47:14 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#109265: Jan 22nd 2016 at 7:50:48 AM

@realDonaldTrump's response is simply "DELETE THIS BOOK NOW."

Probably means the book is full of praise for him

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#109266: Jan 22nd 2016 at 7:57:07 AM

Okay, I just read the Amazon blurb for that book and, if it isn't a complete joke, it must be a hilarious read.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#109267: Jan 22nd 2016 at 8:04:20 AM

I'm assuming it's parody (it's only 10 pages so I wouldn't expect a deep read).

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#109268: Jan 22nd 2016 at 8:10:54 AM

Already I see headlines saying that the Republican National Committee has cut ties with National Review over the anti-Trump issue.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#109269: Jan 22nd 2016 at 8:12:37 AM

Figuratively or are there already actual headlines?

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#109270: Jan 22nd 2016 at 8:14:32 AM

Well. What do ya know That 10 page story is just gay trump fanfiction.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#109271: Jan 22nd 2016 at 8:26:38 AM

Figured it was something like that. Well, more parody than fanfiction but the spirit is there regardless.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#109272: Jan 22nd 2016 at 10:18:47 AM

@Fighteer - I wouldn't paint Graham with the rest of the republicans when it comes to anti-cultivation of minorities and women. He (and Mc Cain) seem to not really give a damn either way on domestic issues. They're all about armed forces and foreign affairs.

Honestly, if democrats weren't stereotyped as nothing but doves/anti-military, those two probably would have jumped ship years ago.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#109273: Jan 22nd 2016 at 10:40:26 AM

GLENN BECK HATES TRUMP? To me theyre almost the same person

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#109274: Jan 22nd 2016 at 10:56:30 AM

Glenn Beck said he hates Trump a long time ago.

Basically, everyone hates Trump. Except perhaps, Trump.

Leviticus 19:34
BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#109275: Jan 22nd 2016 at 11:31:50 AM

WaPo conservative writer makes a case against Trump and points out the arguments used by the National Review writers.

People in the comments section are saying things like the Republicans dumbed down politics so much, Trump is the inevitable result.


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