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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#109126: Jan 19th 2016 at 10:59:39 AM

Hmmmmm, Sanders is ramming the overton window, basically. Wait, Mississippi is that bad? Yikes. Also, consequentialism.

edited 19th Jan '16 11:00:35 AM by vandro

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#109127: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:01:37 AM

Will general taxes alone work to improve living standards when people cant seem to afford basic stuff tho?

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#109128: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:02:42 AM

How does Sanders think Congress will cooperate at all with him on any of his proposals?
By inciting a non-violent political revolution of Democratic and left wing voters standing up and voting Republicans out in masse. (That's his position). Vote out Republicans and/or force them to the left.

edited 19th Jan '16 11:03:27 AM by PotatoesRock

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#109129: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:08:08 AM

Yeah basically he's going "in for a penny in for a pound" if the Republicans are go to oppose everything and anything he might as well argue for good stuff in full instead of the compromises that Obama offered up and were never agreed to.

He think he'll get it past Congress because it will be full of Democrats, if it's full of Republicans none of them would let him get anything passed anyway so why does it matter what he's asking for as long as it's a good thing?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#109130: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:23:31 AM

In general minimum wage rises are an inefficient way of redistributing wealth, since businesses will pass higher employment costs on to consumers or employees by raising prices and downsizing.
This might be a better discussion for the economics thread, but that's only true when there's not enough competition between businesses. A company will charge as much as a customer can afford, unless they're competing with another company that steals their customers by undercutting their prices. If McDonald's starts charging $20 for a Big Mac, then people will go to Burger King and pay $5 for the same thing, instead. This will drive prices down until they point where the price they're selling it for approaches the cost for them to produce it, so further price reduction will mean taking a loss with every sale.

That's the short version, anyway. It's actually a lot more complex than that, but it's not as simple as "wages going up will drive prices up, resulting in little or no actual gain in purchasing power".

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#109131: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:24:59 AM

[up][up][up] Assuming every Democrat gets on board with him.

What happens to the ones who don't? A purge of the Party? Excommunication? Shunning? Exile to Alaska?

edited 19th Jan '16 11:25:59 AM by Skycobra51

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#109132: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:42:54 AM

[up]You try to get people on board with it. If you propose plans that people like, then people will support it. If people support it, then Congress will vote for it, because they want to get reelected. Republicans won't go for it, because their voter base doesn't support it, but pretty much everyone who does support it is going to vote Democrat anyway, so Democratic candidates can build a campaign on "I totally voted for that thing you like, reelect me plz".

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#109133: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:43:59 AM

There is a theory that many Democrats only vote centrist because it's that or nothing happens at all. That said, the theory in question was rather badly disabused during Obama's first two years in office, when the Blue Dog Democrats made many of his ideas impossible to implement by threatening to jump ship.

However, most of those got voted out of office in 2010 and 2012, so the Democratic Congress that's left over has a lot fewer line-straddlers than it did previously.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#109134: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:46:55 AM

It's also a more republican congress than previously. I don't see, even with downticket tailwinds, there being enough of a changeover in seats that he gets anything out of the House.

Now Senate, maybe.

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#109135: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:48:43 AM

The Senate is a possibility, but there is zero chance of taking the House back before 2020.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#109136: Jan 19th 2016 at 12:06:48 PM

How so?!

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#109137: Jan 19th 2016 at 12:08:23 PM

Gerry's fault. 2020 will be a redristricting year.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#109138: Jan 19th 2016 at 12:19:01 PM

The Senate is a possibility, there are 34 seats up for election (10 Dem and 24 Rep) and the Dems need to win 4 seats for a 50-50 spit and 5 seats for a majority.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#109139: Jan 19th 2016 at 12:27:12 PM

The idea (with the House) being that the "breakthrough seat changes" won't be numerous enough to flip the balance.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#109140: Jan 19th 2016 at 12:29:12 PM

Hey, I have a question (and I don't know where exactly to post this, so I'll ask it here):

What exactly happened to that Ahmed kid who had a clock the school thought was a bomb? I've been hearing people claim that he faked it and that the clock actually did look like a bomb.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#109141: Jan 19th 2016 at 12:31:21 PM

Last I heard, he and his parents moved back to Qatar. Bill Maher and his merry band of islamophobes have been running a bunch of conspiracy shit since then.

edited 19th Jan '16 12:33:34 PM by carbon-mantis

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#109142: Jan 19th 2016 at 12:33:35 PM

I heard that and I heard he was suing the school board for 17 million dollars or something. But what I'm curious about is how legitimate the claim is that he either did it all intentionally to get attention or his dad put him up to it because of his political affiliations. Some people kept pointing to a Breitbart article (and all I know of Breitbart is that a lot of people hate them) that explained it.

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#109143: Jan 19th 2016 at 12:48:24 PM

[up]Short of a direct line to them with a voice stress analyzer on hand, no.

As to Breitbart's bad rep, they're as close as you get to an actual real life example of Strawman News Media as you get. Yes, as in outdoing Fox in deliberate lies and spin.

Their only real audience is with the far-right and supporters of more... dubious online activism due to the activities of one of their "contributors".

Also, one of their journalists tried strangling a pro DOTA 2 player.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#109144: Jan 19th 2016 at 12:49:46 PM

[up][up]I'm pretty sure those claims are just Islamaphobic bullshit.

edited 19th Jan '16 12:50:37 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#109145: Jan 19th 2016 at 12:55:18 PM

Thank god, I'm not wrong! I mean, I've seen the clock. It looked a tad bit like an 80s movie bomb, but people should know by now that those things don't look like that in real life.

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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#109146: Jan 19th 2016 at 1:00:55 PM

The one article by them(The Contributor) I love is the one on the UN Cyberviolence report. That report was horrendous.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#109147: Jan 19th 2016 at 1:34:45 PM

If Bernie gets the Senate, though, he'll be able to ignore Congress effectively on a few issues. Any retiring Supreme Court Justices will be replaced by the hopefully liberal (with the usual caveat that a justice on the bench is never 100% predictable) and he'll be able to pick the most rabid Attorney General he can find to engage in seriously hard-assed prosecutions of "too big to jail" banks.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#109148: Jan 19th 2016 at 1:51:30 PM

Forbes actually had an article out yesterday or so about how the market also agrees that the banks should break up, so that might not be as hard as we think.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#109149: Jan 19th 2016 at 1:55:27 PM

Yeah, but the bankers don't, and neither do the Austrian economists. So the Republicans will never approve aggressive arrests of bank execs.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#109150: Jan 19th 2016 at 2:05:49 PM

Don't have to arrest the bankers to break up their banks.


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