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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Well, the specifics of consent are probably not coming up in elementary. Elementary school sex ed, for me, focused on...well, it was called Human Growth and Development, and that's pretty much what it was. Middle-school Health class, sadly, was a half-semester of Why You Should Abstain Until Marriage, by George W. Bush.
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That far from a simple thing, it's the front end of a massive cultural problem when it comes to enforcing strict gender roles onto children that are harmful to both boys and girls.
Just the basic idea of consent about anything could be taught super early, a simple "don't do something with/to another person unless they say they want you to" can be taught with no reference to sex.
edited 15th Jan '16 9:31:58 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranHell, I've been teaching my son the rudiments of consent and he's barely 10.
I would have to say that the pendulum has a long way to go before it's really working against men. The "slippery slope to reverse-discrimination" argument can only be seen by the victims of current discrimination as ... technical terms here... a crock of shit: a ballsy and offensive excuse for inaction.
edited 15th Jan '16 9:56:35 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"You don't need to be of a specific gender to understand "No means no".
The Last Week Tonight bit on Sex Ed in America was both hilarious and terrifying, hilarious because bigots are always fun to laugh at, and terrifying because those bigots were a huge influence on the way sexuality is perceived in America.
And honestly, between the current way rape is dealt with in society, and one where every thinks that "all men are rapists", there isn't a thin line, there is a lightyear-wide canyon.
X4 It wouldn't be reverse discrimination, that's not a thing, it would simply be discrimination. But I agree with your point, we're far from being at that point. There are even legit cases of discrimination against men, but they tend to be ignored by many groups because they're not done by feminists and often groups are more about opposing feminists then helping men.
edited 15th Jan '16 10:05:05 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyranedited 15th Jan '16 11:07:18 AM by nervmeister
So the data agrees with us but you don't like that so you're going to try and reinterpret the facts and redefine what a false allegation is because that's the only way to support your argument?
Fighter how's that button looking?
Thanks for that link though, it's a good study, though I'd say it realy needs a comparative with other crimes for some perspective.
edited 15th Jan '16 11:27:23 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran![]()
A report of sexual assault that is not followed up on in no way indicates a false accusation; more likely it indicates insufficient evidence... or intimidation of the victim. Statistics on that would be helpful, at least. But I do have to wonder how and if data that does not support your point of view changes your mind on this topic.
edited 15th Jan '16 11:28:47 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Seeing as he just provided data that doesn't agree with his point of view, and Trent ride to dismiss it, I'm gonna go ahead and say that data that disagrees with him isn't going to sway him.
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Notice how I never said "false" in this post of mine. It's quite possible for a claim to be neither proven true nor false.
Noted. Back on topic then. Trump I believe was what we were talking about.
edited 15th Jan '16 11:43:56 AM by nervmeister
I dislike Cruz, but I loath the birther movement no matter who it's aimed at.
Someone spotted opened amiibo, Nintendo's figurines, during a Youtube video with Obama.
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Honestly, I find it hugely cathartic given that Cruz rode that Birther Train all the way to the Senate.
As for the Amiibos, he does have a pair of teenaged daughters, and is himself a rather huge nerd, so it makes sense.
RE: Rape discussion, Nevr, the whole "58% never go to trial" could be for a number of reasons, ranging from the victim (male or female) just wanting to move on with their life to, of course, the possibility of a false accusation to begin with. That's a lot of leeway in regards to motivations.
And Fighteer, part of the issue is a number of well-publicized recantations of alleged child molestation and the like that led to convictions, jail-time, and Sex Offender Registry status for the accused, coupled with the general attitude of prosecutors not wanting to punish the false accusation for fear of scaring real victim from approaching authorities. It's a crappy situation all-around, to be sure, and the solution (if there is one) isn't going to be easy to find, let alone reach.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"

Fair enough, and I agree, education on the subject is definitely an area where campuses should take action. (So should high schools, but that's an area where we need to disenfranchise the Republicans before we can get any work done.)