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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
You are suggesting that attempts to root out rape culture in college campuses are in some way symptomatic of an undesirable movement towards nanny-ism? Really? Because I have my finger on the ban button.
Agh! The word! It burns ussssss!!!
edited 15th Jan '16 8:56:17 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Quick get rid of the word, before we get flooded, we don't need it on search results. Even as someone who believes it's stupid to act as if a hashtag can be a valid movement and can be defined by the actions of what are likely a small minority of the hashtags users, it's still best to call it "the hashtag that shall not be named".
As for the argument, two internet personalities getting a bit of prominence for the one thing where they aren't in the wrong (being a victim of abuse isn't something where someone can be in the wrong) is hardly a problem.
edited 15th Jan '16 9:19:29 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranDo we have to forgive the current Democratic Party for Bloomberg?
Jokes aside, it's worth noting that the removal of the biggest "nanny state" item of all is being pushed almost exclusively on the left now; that being the War on Drugs. That used to be Libertarians' favorite windmill to charge against...
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Your "modern day inquisitors" seem to be more like the college student caricatures
the far-right leaning Internet loves to pass off as representative of the real thing.
edited 15th Jan '16 8:59:49 AM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot@Fighteer
Hey, I'm all for rapists getting what's coming to them. But, say, in pursuing said rapists campus policy gets to the point where even an unproven accusation is more than enough to destroy a student's academic career, that ought to be cause for concern.
Nope.
edited 15th Jan '16 9:24:58 AM by nervmeister
"Nanny states" can get to do real horrible shit. Just look at syndicates in Mexico particularly the education ones.
But personally the example of U.S State nannyism I would pick would be stuff like the Bundies, and the subsidies to corn and stuff, not the cultural ones.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes![]()
Oh, you are one of those. I am not sure I have the stomach for another round of presenting evidence that false rape accusations are all but nonexistent on college campuses, whereas sexual assaults are frighteningly common and massively underreported, only to have you wave around anecdotes as evidence.
And yes, I absolutely believe that a rapist should have their career ruined, in return for the victim's life which they have themselves ruined.
edited 15th Jan '16 9:01:45 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I have a question. Should colleges have administrative procedures for rape, or should it be handled by campus police and other law enforcement entities? You know, the guys who are trained to investigate, arrest, and have these people hauled up in front of a judge?
edited 15th Jan '16 9:03:07 AM by Ramidel
@Ramidel: Campuses can't rely on law enforcement exclusively to deal with sexual assault allegations, partly because the cops have other things to do and partly because campuses already do a significant amount of policing of their student bodies.
But more importantly, the problem today is campuses intentionally burying sexual assault cases — hiding them from law enforcement, destroying evidence, and shaming accusers. If they were to call the cops instantly for any report, that would be a significant improvement from the current situation.
Some law enforcement agencies are also notoriously sloppy when it comes to investigating such cases to begin with.
edited 15th Jan '16 9:04:28 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"In my opinion the criminal aspect (prosecution and judicial punishment) should be handled by law enforcement and the judicial system.
What the college can do is decide whether to expel the rapist or let the rapist finish their course in prison.
edited 15th Jan '16 9:04:38 AM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotYeah while false rape accusations do happen I'm pretty sure they're only as common as other false criminal accusations, they're certainly nothing compared to how common actual cases of sexual assault are.
Plus false accusation statistics will almost certainly include no malice cases, where there's a mistaken identity or where the person making the false accusation doesn't cause anyone but simply makes a false claim of being victimised.
Edit: I will say that the US system of having colleges deal with such things internally is weird and messed up, we have the police for that, but are there calls for the police to be less involved? Because I've never seen them.
edited 15th Jan '16 9:06:08 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranConsidering what a sexual assault victim has to go through in our society: victim blaming, ostracisation, being called a slut on national TV, it would be purest insanity for anyone to knowingly make a false accusation. It does happen but it's statistically trivial.
Part of the problem is a lot of police departments not giving a damn about it. After all, it's not like botched sexual assault cases are in some way limited to college campuses. I only wish it were that easy. It's just that college is a hotbed of sexual activity among young people who are leaving the home for the first time, and so a lot of stuff happens just because they are young and stupid — and quite frequently indoctrinated by society to believe some really skeevy shit.
I mean, look at Bill Cosby. Fifty-plus accusers with corroboration from the man himself and he is still being given the benefit of the doubt.
edited 15th Jan '16 9:09:08 AM by Fighteer
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I doubt many expect it to go that far, it's a way to mud sling or get at someone on a personal level, the people who pursue false claims legally are totally insane.
It's not even that teens are taught dodgy shit, often they're taught nothing at all. The BBC did a thing with a bunch of teens about consent and half of them couldn't properly identify consent.
edited 15th Jan '16 9:09:20 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranBut the press meddling with the justice system gave birth to one of my favorite musicals!
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes@Fighteer: Yeah, but I fail to see how college administrators are better equipped to deal with this than police and prosecutors. (Unless it's because a university doesn't have to prove its case to the standards that a court would require.)
And Bill Cosby is a rich celebrity. You know the rules don't apply to rich celebrities.
edited 15th Jan '16 9:15:34 AM by Ramidel
@Ramidel: Frequently, they aren't, but that's what we're trying to work on. In particular, college campuses have a responsibility to promote responsible sexual behavior among their students; you can't rely on the police to come in and give "educational seminars" and leave it at that. Neither does making an example of specific offenders work as a deterrent.
edited 15th Jan '16 9:16:51 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

@Le Garcon
lol. I'm imagining you shaking me back and forth as you ask what the fuck is wrong is me. Yeah. Maybe it's too soon to say they've gained a significant enough foothold in politics (though after Quinn and Sarkeesian's escapade in the UN, I'd at least keep an eye out), but their modern day inquisitions on college campuses are pretty well documented and the mainstream news's and social media's growing subservience to them isn't something for which one has to obsessively squint in order to see.
edited 15th Jan '16 8:55:11 AM by nervmeister