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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#108701: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:00:19 AM

Except there are ways to retaliate besides using nukes

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#108702: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:01:48 AM

Not on the same scale, though.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#108703: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:03:20 AM

Not really.

Say we don't have nukes and Russia hits the entire eastern seaboard. New York, Philadelphia, Boston, Miami, the entire Congress, the President, Vice President, JCOS, the Pentagon, and all of our military assets on the east coast are destroyed.

What are our options for retaliation?

Bear in mind that the American government is now effectively nonexistent and our military has been decapitated. Chain of command no longer exists.

edited 14th Jan '16 10:07:20 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#108704: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:04:01 AM

It doesn't seem to work between India and Pakistan either

Since when have Pakistan or India nuked each other?

As for MAD being stupid, I think you'll find that the people who rely on the American nuclear umbrella would disagree, you know the Souh Koreans and Eastern Europeans.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#108705: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:04:37 AM

why would Russia do that in the first place?

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#108706: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:05:14 AM

Because what's stopping them?

Oh really when?
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#108707: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:07:51 AM

Because it's decided to invade Lithuania to protect an "oppressed Russian minority" and wants to knock the US out of the war?

edited 14th Jan '16 10:08:16 AM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
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#108708: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:10:57 AM

The Baltics aren't worth nuclear war.

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#108709: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:11:51 AM

Are we all having fun throwing realism in a hypothetical scenario tongue?

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#108710: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:11:53 AM

Not really nuclear war if only one side has them.

Remember this is a hypothetical and terrible world where the United States has no nuclear arsenal.

Oh really when?
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#108711: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:12:06 AM

Do you honest to god believe "The others" are so politically idiotic and ignorant as to commit to full blown saturday morning cartoon villainy of "Tonight, Pinky, we take over the world!"?

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#108712: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:12:21 AM

if we were the only ones with nukes, what would stop us from using them? Russia would be setting itself against the entire world

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#108713: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:12:57 AM

Absolutely nothing.

Which is why Russia has them.

Oh really when?
BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#108714: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:14:16 AM

Florida ditches surgical standards after failing hospital donates to GOP

St. Mary’s Medical Center and Palm Beach Children’s Hospital, had an abysmal track record for pediatric open-heart surgery—a death rate more than three times the national average. And the two reports found that the facility was failing to meet the now-repealed standards, which include proficiency in performing the surgeries themselves.

The St. Mary’s facility is run by Tenet Healthcare, which coincidentally donated $200,000 to the state’s republicans between 2013 and 2014, including $100,000 to Republican Governor Rick Scott’s political action committee. Those donations were the highest of any Tenet gave to political groups in other states.

A month after CNN’s report, the state announced that it would repeal the standards for children’s heart surgery.

(...)

In December, Florida Administrative Law Judge John Van Laningham ruled that the state could remove the standards from state hospitals. In his ruling, he argued that the surgical standards were unnecessary because doctors will do the right thing because they want to, not because they are required to do so. “The notion, therefore, that every facility in the CMS network would suddenly stop providing quality pediatric cardiac services immediately upon the repeal of the Standards rests on pure speculation—and is a little insulting to the health care professionals who personally deliver those services,” he wrote.

Evil. I doubt the people of Florida know about this, and they'd see it as just political propaganda if you told them. Things just have to get worse and worse before people will realize there is a problem and do something about it.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#108715: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:14:44 AM

[up][up][up]Most countries would probably just fall in line if Russia threatened to annihilate them.

edited 14th Jan '16 10:15:09 AM by Kostya

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#108716: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:15:42 AM

then why didn't we use them again for those few years where we still thought we were the only ones with them after ww2? Why didn't we nuke China during the Korean War?

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#108717: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:17:19 AM

[up] You very almost did.

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#108718: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:17:34 AM

We almost did actually. Lots of our generals thought we should have.

But delivery methods back then were primitive and getting enough bombers into Russian airspace simply wouldn't have been possible.

Oh really when?
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#108719: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:18:29 AM

We should all have built giant mechs instead.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#108720: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:22:11 AM

So if Putin wants to take over the world, is he Pinky, or The Brain?

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#108721: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:23:12 AM

I assume he's the Brain and Medvedev would be Pinky.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#108722: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:26:12 AM

@ Xopher:

then why didn't we use them again for those few years where we still thought we were the only ones with them after ww2? Why didn't we nuke China during the Korean War?

Douglas MacArthur suggested just that. He was sacked by President Eisenhower.

Of course, by then Soviets had nuclear weapons themselves.

edited 14th Jan '16 10:26:47 AM by Greenmantle

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#108723: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:33:17 AM

The nuclear arms race would have also gone faster than it did if the US used nukes after WWII.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#108724: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:33:40 AM

[up][up] I'm pretty sure Truman sacked him, not Eisenhower.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#108725: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:41:30 AM

[up] You're right. Ike did serve under MacArthur, though.

Although, Truman himself didn't know about the Manhattan Project until after he became President. Stalin knew already, of course.

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