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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#108376: Jan 8th 2016 at 10:46:03 AM

As true as that may be it's hard to shake off the thoughts that if a similarly armed minority group tried this sort of thing the response would have been far more aggressive from the varies authorities.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#108377: Jan 8th 2016 at 10:46:12 AM

There is a such a thing as a pro-federal government vigilante?

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#108378: Jan 8th 2016 at 11:05:17 AM

Uhm, most people aren't vigilantes. That basically means they aren't operating within the law and if someone who isn't law enforcement shoots at the protesters in that building they're subject to getting arrested like any other asshole who thinks it's their right to just shoot people. That is, of course, if they don't get shot by the guys in the building first. So... I'm not even sure how this occurred as a problem to you, because that's a pretty clear cut crime.

And the point of the waiting game and letting them be free to come and go is basically to wait until they leave peacefully. The thinking here is that surrounding them will just encourage them to dig in their heals, but just waiting till they leave of their own volition takes the piss and thunder out of their declarations and intentions. This is, also, robbing them of the ability to aim guns at anyone since no one's out there watching them.

It's not a perfect plan by any means, but at the moment appears to be the most effective. If the group continues their occupation, the response is probably going to change.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#108379: Jan 8th 2016 at 11:09:39 AM

There are an awful lot of folks out there in militia-land who have warrants over their heads, but the authorities have judged it too risky to serve them for fear of starting a nationwide armed revolt. No sane political leader wants that, no matter how justified it might seem.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#108380: Jan 8th 2016 at 11:11:54 AM

Yep, it's the same reason you don't see FBI raids on Oath Keeper meetings or Klan rallies.

A full out domestic insurgency just isn't worth it.

Oh really when?
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#108381: Jan 8th 2016 at 11:14:24 AM

[up] * Shrug *

That doesn't mean that members of the FBI (or former FBI) aren't there, though...

Keep Rolling On
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#108382: Jan 8th 2016 at 11:20:31 AM

Speaking of domestic insurgencies ISIS and friends strike again.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#108383: Jan 8th 2016 at 11:23:03 AM

That looks like some fat, middle-aged guy who decided to wage personal jihad and got himself shot and arrested for his trouble. Not much to see in comparison with some of the other things that have happened.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#108384: Jan 8th 2016 at 12:23:38 PM

Stupid question most likely, but...

Why has the U.S. government refused to view the KKK as a terrorist organization? And no, don't play cynic and say something, "white supremacists are in control of the government." They're not.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#108385: Jan 8th 2016 at 12:25:09 PM

It has been semi-official policy for a long time to regard domestic terrorists as ordinary criminals to rob them of the veneer of political legitimacy that they seek. Internally, the FBI does consider them domestic terrorists but they very carefully avoid that nomenclature when speaking to the public.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#108386: Jan 8th 2016 at 12:26:01 PM

[up][up]They're classified as a hate group rather than a terrorist group, due to their current incarnation's preference for inciting others to commit violence instead of carrying out acts of violence themselves.

edited 8th Jan '16 12:26:11 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#108387: Jan 8th 2016 at 12:29:02 PM

The FBI and other groups that deal with Klan threats and so on do consider them domestic terrorists.

It's politicians and the general American public that don't.

Oh really when?
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#108388: Jan 8th 2016 at 12:45:42 PM

I was thinking about the Philadelphia incident: I'm less worried about ISIS&Friends than I am about Trump and co. using stuff like this as an example to say SEE! THE TERRORISTS ARE AMONG US!

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#108389: Jan 8th 2016 at 12:47:09 PM

As you should be

Oh really when?
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#108390: Jan 8th 2016 at 12:52:07 PM

wild mass guessFalse flag by a Trump supporterwild mass guess

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#108391: Jan 8th 2016 at 1:13:09 PM

[Sorry, new accounts cannot post external links.]

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#108392: Jan 8th 2016 at 1:22:59 PM

The KKK are officially considered a terrorist group, though the general public usually doesn't think of them that way. IIRC, the modern KKK doesn't engage in acts of violence often (and, in fact, have been so thoroughly infiltrated by undercover cops that there's no way they'd be able to get away with anything).

Leviticus 19:34
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#108393: Jan 8th 2016 at 1:55:08 PM

[up]There is this old joke saying the reason the KKK still active is because they only ones willing to attend the meeting and run the place are the undercover agents.

Inter arma enim silent leges
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#108394: Jan 8th 2016 at 1:56:04 PM

The last time I heard about the KKK doing anything, it was when they issued a press release saying they are not affiliated with and do not support the Westboro Baptist Church. If not for that, I'd be unsure if they even still existed.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#108395: Jan 8th 2016 at 2:00:30 PM

[up]

Pretty sure that's one of the examples on the Flock of Wolves page.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#108396: Jan 8th 2016 at 4:07:48 PM

They're trying to provoke a response and the government is refusing to humor them.

So, to put it in terms of this thread, the militia is like Costa Rica, and the US government is like... the US government.

  • Costa Rica/Militia: Notice me, sempai!
  • Government: *Does other, more important things, for a long time, until it finally looks up* No.
  • Costa Rica/Militia: :-(

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#108397: Jan 8th 2016 at 8:03:24 PM

Someone tried to steal Obama's dogs.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
tryrar Since: Sep, 2010
#108399: Jan 8th 2016 at 8:17:28 PM

[up]Sounds more like he needs professional help of the rubber room variety according to how the article depicts him(and the statements he made)

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#108400: Jan 8th 2016 at 9:05:25 PM

(Vox) Lee Drutman argues that much of the modern politics going on can be defined by Creedal Passion as defined by Samuel Huntington's 1981 book "American Politics: Promise of Disharmony".

(Basically it resonates very Peter Turchin's Cliodynamics, concept. Basically every 50-60 years, there's an over-expansion of Elites/Wealthy who with surplus start attacking each other, leading to huge unstable periods.)

Maine's governor: Out-of-state drug dealers like "D-Money" are impregnating white girls

edited 8th Jan '16 9:05:44 PM by PotatoesRock


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