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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#108151: Jan 5th 2016 at 6:53:35 PM

[up][up]That's an assault, not a siege.

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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#108152: Jan 5th 2016 at 7:01:16 PM

Yeah, "starve them out" is basically the definition of a siege.

siege
/sēj/
noun: a military operation in which enemy forces surround a town or building, cutting off essential supplies, with the aim of compelling the surrender of those inside.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#108153: Jan 5th 2016 at 7:14:40 PM

It's the textbook definition but I don't think it's what most people think of when they hear the word siege. It probably isn't what they want either.

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#108154: Jan 5th 2016 at 7:32:38 PM

I know I think of the textbook definition, but I've played enough Total War that the difference is important to me. tongue

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#108155: Jan 5th 2016 at 7:43:30 PM

[up] You know I'm pretty sure you can win a siege in Total War by just sitting their and waiting for the enemy to starve. Of course I almost always storm the castle, waiting takes to long, and it is boring.

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TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#108156: Jan 5th 2016 at 7:53:19 PM

Considering how thick they are how hard would it be to send them snacks laced with something so that they'd all fall asleep and the FBI could arrest them?

Drugging somebody is a surprisingly delicate matter, and it can be difficult to get right without knowing facts about the people. Differences in body weight, medical history, constitution, gender, size, allergies, can all make the difference between whether a dosage works or not... and whether the dosage kills someone or not. Hence why there's an entire (and very lucrative) medical specialty in being an Anesthesiologist.

Plus there's supposed to be about 100-150 of them, no? I doubt they'd all sit down and eat at the same time, nor would they all drop at the same time, even if it were effective.

edited 5th Jan '16 8:05:49 PM by TheWanderer

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#108157: Jan 5th 2016 at 7:59:39 PM

Pretty sure their number is still in the mere dozens, even with the call out to get people to drive up there and join them. The hundreds there for the start apparently all went home and didn't plan for a long haul protest. Or the numbers were exaggerated in the first place.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#108158: Jan 5th 2016 at 8:57:18 PM

Could you even fit 150 people plus their guns inside that station?

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TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#108159: Jan 5th 2016 at 8:59:26 PM

Ok, to be honest I haven't kept up with all the particulars here, so I'm not up to date on how many people are still there holing up in the building, or the exact size of the building itself.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
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#108162: Jan 6th 2016 at 1:00:27 AM

On the "siege" word, that's indeed something that I've noticed at least in the English language.

And supporting this, you don't need "siege engines" to starve a fortress out; those are used for actually assaulting it.

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#108163: Jan 6th 2016 at 1:13:36 AM

[up]

That would be an assault during a siege, after the enemy has been confirmed to have been contained to a certain location or under siege.

edited 6th Jan '16 1:16:21 AM by TerminusEst

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A procrastination in of itself
#108164: Jan 6th 2016 at 7:58:27 AM

Also while you don't need them they can be used, bombardment can soften an enemy up, weaken moral, damage supplies that they're using, eliminate leadership and spread disease. All that stuff can be done without an assault.

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#108165: Jan 6th 2016 at 8:12:37 AM

Drugging somebody is a surprisingly delicate matter, and it can be difficult to get right without knowing facts about the people. Differences in body weight, medical history, constitution, gender, size, allergies, can all make the difference between whether a dosage works or not... and whether the dosage kills someone or not. Hence why there's an entire (and very lucrative) medical specialty in being an Anesthesiologist.

And fucking it up is what killed Michael Jackson.

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Lost in Space
#108166: Jan 6th 2016 at 9:26:07 AM

Well, that and a doctor being stupid enough to take money to administer prescription anesthetic sedatives to someone outside a medical setting in the first place.

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#108167: Jan 6th 2016 at 9:42:24 AM

What they want is to have their faces plastered all over the news as they're dragged from the building by SWAT officers, raving and screaming, with headlines like "Jackbooted Government Thugs Persecuting Innocent Citizens Without Cause!"

I don't think any of them planned to be doing this for the long haul. They're just trying to provoke a Boston Massacre scenario, preferably without the actual massacre.

edited 6th Jan '16 9:43:39 AM by TobiasDrake

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#108168: Jan 6th 2016 at 10:46:21 AM

During a conversation on Fox News, Trump said he believed Obama's tears yesterday were real and that he'll probably go down about 5 points in the polls for saying so.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#108169: Jan 6th 2016 at 10:47:08 AM

Man, that may be the only true thing Trump has ever said.

Oh really when?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#108170: Jan 6th 2016 at 11:33:07 AM

The only nice thing?

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#108171: Jan 6th 2016 at 11:38:33 AM

Presumably he figured that saying nice things is the only way he can still shock people.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#108172: Jan 6th 2016 at 11:41:01 AM

Let's hope he underestimates the 5 point loss then.

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Lost in Space
#108173: Jan 6th 2016 at 11:43:17 AM

Let's hope he doesn't. I still dream of a race in which a candidate is rewarded for saying positive things and penalized for saying negative things. I mean, I know what Trump's constituency is like, but excessive cynicism leads to fatalism, and fatalism leads to the Dark Side.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#108174: Jan 6th 2016 at 11:44:13 AM

I thought they were real, but a bit too deliberate and rhetorical. I felt kind of embarassed on his behalf, but when you gotta emote, you gotta emote.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#108175: Jan 6th 2016 at 11:48:00 AM

[up][up] "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate... leads to suffering."


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