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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Yeah the arrested ranchers aren't connected to Bundy, it's the crazy militia rangers (who the arrest ones seem to want nothing to do with) that are, they're led by his son.
edited 5th Jan '16 2:48:15 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranMy understanding of the situation, thanks in part to a lawyer on another board, goes like this: the ranchers from the original case were found guilty, and had a federally mandated mandatory minimum sentence of 5 years. Their lawyer argued that the penalty was too harsh, got the judge in their case to agree, and the judge sentenced them to just a few months. The government's reaction to that was to jump in and say "Whoa, whoa, whoa, that's bullshit. Regardless of what the judge thinks of the penalty, the law requires it in this case, and he can't go off and decide that he gets to throw out the law because he doesn't like it" and appeal to a higher court about what happened.
The higher court agreed with the government's case, (duh) and since court appeals tend to take a lot of time, by the time that happened the two ranchers were already done with their shortened sentences, and were told they had to go back and serve the remainder of the 5 years.
As for the grazing rights issue, ironically enough that is much, much, cheaper for the local ranchers because it's a federal thing instead of the free market or set by local rate. Link
Now his son has furthered the fight by seizing the Oregon refuge. In a news conference Sunday, Ammon Bundy explained that he was there in protest of the “unconstitutional transactions of land rights and water rights.”
Those transactions, though, can be a pretty good deal, regardless of their constitutionality. According to a 2015 report by the Center for Biological Diversity, the Bureau of Land Management’s fees for grazing cattle on public land are much lower than the fees charged by private landowners, and they’ve only become cheaper in recent years.
In 2012, the bureau’s fees for grazing were 93 percent cheaper than the average market rate in 16 Western states ($1.35 versus $20.10 per AUM, which is a fancy acronym for the amount of land needed to support a cow and her calf for a month1).
The bureau’s fees are so much lower than the market price in part because its fees are set at a flat, national rate and can’t be adjusted to match demand in local markets. Plus, the bureau sets that national grazing price using a formula, rather than any kind of bidding system or market appraisals, as some other federal agencies with higher prices2 do. As a result, in 2014, grazing fees covered only 15 percent of the bureau’s costs to maintain grazing lands. The rest of the cost is made up in federal appropriations and covered by taxpayers.
So in the end, the only argument they have is a bunch of guys with guns standing around saying "The government isn't the boss of me" and shaking their fists.
And to go back to the standoff with Bundys last year, Bundy tried to claim that his family had been working that land since 1877 despite the fact that they only moved there in 1948, and that the land has been government property since 1848, when the US gained that territory from Mexico in war. Link
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“This is a federal land grab of sorts!”
This has been US government property since it was taken from Mexico in 1848, before Nevada was an actual state.
“The Bundy’s have worked and maintained this land since 1877!”
As shown above, this has been US government property since before Bundy’s alleged ancestors began settling here. However, it turns out that Bundy’s “1877” claims was in fact bogus. An investigation by KLAS-TV Las Vegas reveals that Bundy’s parents moved from Arizona to Nevada and bought the 160-acre ranch in 1948, from its previous owners. The Bundy’s wouldn’t begin using this land for their cattle to graze until the 1950’s.
From KTVLA:
Clark County Recorder documents show the 160-acre Bunkerville ranch Bundy calls home was purchased by his parents, David and Bodel Bundy, from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt on Jan. 5, 1948. The purchase included the transfer to the Bundys of certain water rights, including water from the nearby Virgin River. Cliven Bundy was born in 1946.
“Bundy’s great grandfather bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887″
This claim has been repeated numerous times but there appears to be no record of this. Since the Bunkerville allotment is part of federal land it is unlikely that any of the Bundy’s would have ever been sold the rights. This may actually be a conflation of the claimed “pre-emptive” rights, which some have claimed Bundy’s family to have. It would appear that this is nothing more than a subjective belief on the part of the Bundy’s, that their alleged longtime use of federal lands somehow gives them ownership. Furthermore, given that Bundy lost numerous court battles, it’s unlikely that he in fact owns the portion of the land in question.
So yeah, nothing but a bunch of guys hating the Federal Government and dreaming up scenarios to act out on that.
| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |The President broke out the Manly Tears.
The President is tired of this shit.
First-graders, man.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.But then I guess the super-tough Patriots going all "please send food we dun goofed" was going to cause some laughs.
"Yup. That tasted purple."No, it was meant to go there. It's a joke photoshop of the Gadsen flag
to reflect the Militia's recent plea for snacks and other food.
edited 5th Jan '16 6:02:22 PM by Deadbeatloser22
"Yup. That tasted purple."Considering how thick they are how hard would it be to send them snacks laced with something so that they'd all fall asleep and the FBI could arrest them?
Quick, CIA-NSA-MI 6-GCHQ, whichever one of you monitors TV tropes, please forward that idea on to the FBI.
edited 5th Jan '16 6:11:17 PM by Silasw
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