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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Once again, I'm not at all opposed to gun safety training. What I'm opposed to is federally mandated and regulated gun safety training. Because any time Big Government is involved in anything, it winds up all FUBARed. If it's going to be done, I would like it to actually work.
But I suppose that's asking too much.
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To play devil's advocate, the federal government can actually be extremely competent sometimes-for example, they put a person on the moon and built the atomic bomb.
Yes, but for those projects, there was an overarching goal that the entire country was supportive of. (Winning the war, and showing up the USSR.) For something like this, there will be partisan bickering and resistance from a dozen different directions. Kind of like the health care debacle.
Aren't driving licences federally mandated but not run? What about marriage licences? Voter registration? the drinking age? The federal goverment does all sorts of bureaucratic shit (Medicaid) well, people just refuse to accept it because it interferers with the narrative that the goverment is bad.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranSpeaking of dodgy stuff involving firearms, Timothy McGinty, the prosecutor who rigged the Tamir Rice grand jury to hell and back, just issued his first public statement on the case since the refusal to indict
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So Patrick is gone. Wonder how long O'Malley will stay in? I think he's running a skeleton campaign, so he might have the funding to do the first few primaries.
And I wonder if the RNC will start pushing Bush out to rally the moderate/establishment vote (what's left of it) around Rubio? Though we have to remember that the first few Republican primaries will distribute delegates proportionately, so it makes sense (if they have the money and even decent numbers) for many of the little players to stay in for now.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.The jury's decision was just. Tamir was 5 foot 7, carrying a realistic looking gun, and the officers had not been told that the caller had said the gun was "probably fake", or been told his age. It may not be fair, to be sure nobody deserves death just because they had a fake gun, especially at such a young age, but the Jury made the right decision.
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.No it didn't look like he was pulling a gun out because he wasn't given a chance to do anything at all.
Watch the video, he was given no time to react in any manner. Hostile or otherwise.
The officer drove up and made the decision to murder him. There's no debate about it.
edited 29th Dec '15 4:16:55 PM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?Yep. Here's the video.
The car drives up to him, he twitches slightly, and then he gets shot through the window. Do also note that airsoft guns are not legally required to have an orange muzzle in any states except California. 'Sides, have you seen photos of the kid? He was big for his age, but he was very obviously a child.
While I agree that the death of a 12 year old is tragic I do fault the police dispatcher more than the responding officer. The police dispatcher was told "There is a 12 year old black kid pointing a fake gun at people and making pew pew noises can you please make him stop?"
Said dispatcher proceeded to tell the responding officers "Black male is pointing a weapon at unarmed passersby." I would prefer the dispatcher was on trial for negligence by implying to the officers that they were responding to the opening stages of a mass shooting rather than a minor public disturbance. Which after the incidents in Oregon, Colorado and California would have the officers on edge.
"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
I'm not sure if this is relevant, but if you are talking about the shootings I think you are talking about, than they were all carried out by White people
Edit: I don't think I can make out what the gesture seemed like up close it seems to me like the kid was just opening his coat. Also, the cops couldn't have assumed it was a "mass shooting" as nobody was their, it just was a 12 year old, alone in the park. And why the hell did they feel the need to drive up to him? If they thought he was armed they should have stayed back, hell, probably called for back up. At the very least this deserved a grand jury indictment. Maybe those men were innocent of murder, maybe they weren't, but regardless, Tamir didn't deserve to die. I'd say something,but pretty much everything that can be said about this case already has.
edited 29th Dec '15 4:47:20 PM by JackOLantern1337
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.Jack explain to me this, if the logical response to a person reaching for what appears to be a gun, is to shoot them, why is that response not being carried out against the many white Americans who own actual guns, reach for them all the time and even go so far as to point them at cops?
Honestly at this point some of the fault is starting to maybe shift to the people who call 911, if you call 911 one a black person who may be violent/appear violent/dangerous then you should know by now that there's a good chance that person is goign to die.
edited 29th Dec '15 4:43:53 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranDo also note that Ohio is an open-carry state, so when they arrived on the scene, Rice would have been exercising his legal rights even if he was an adult with a real gun (I'm not a fan of open-carry, but when it is the law, it naturally demands more caution from police officers in how they approach people with firearms). You don't just go off the dispatcher's report, you verify the situation for yourself, and the officers here absolutely did not do that. It didn't help that the shooter had been described during his 2012 officer evaluation as twitchy and unsuitable to be anywhere near a gun, either
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And that clearly shows. Though, as I understand it, open cary laws involve carrying the thing at your side or in a holster, not pointing it around, unless you are one of the idiot cops in Ferguson of course.
Edit: The guy's own father said he left because he "wanted more action." The guy should have been nailed on manslaughter charges at least. I'm so sorry for saying that verdict was anything but unfair.
edited 29th Dec '15 4:59:04 PM by JackOLantern1337
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.

I for one would love to see courses teaching people about computers before they get to buy one.
edited 29th Dec '15 3:18:02 PM by AngelusNox
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