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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#107676: Dec 29th 2015 at 3:17:36 PM

I for one would love to see courses teaching people about computers before they get to buy one.

edited 29th Dec '15 3:18:02 PM by AngelusNox

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rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#107677: Dec 29th 2015 at 3:29:26 PM

Computers at least have the virtue of being hard to accidentally kill someone with.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#107678: Dec 29th 2015 at 3:30:09 PM

Once again, I'm not at all opposed to gun safety training. What I'm opposed to is federally mandated and regulated gun safety training. Because any time Big Government is involved in anything, it winds up all FUBARed. If it's going to be done, I would like it to actually work.

But I suppose that's asking too much.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#107679: Dec 29th 2015 at 3:35:59 PM

[up]To play devil's advocate, the federal government can actually be extremely competent sometimes-for example, they put a person on the moon and built the atomic bomb.

Leviticus 19:34
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#107680: Dec 29th 2015 at 3:38:51 PM

[up]Yes, but for those projects, there was an overarching goal that the entire country was supportive of. (Winning the war, and showing up the USSR.) For something like this, there will be partisan bickering and resistance from a dozen different directions. Kind of like the health care debacle.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#107681: Dec 29th 2015 at 3:40:28 PM

Until we purge the elements in the government that make it their life goal to tear it apart from within we really can't expect anything groundbreaking to happen on the Federal government.

Oh really when?
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#107682: Dec 29th 2015 at 3:43:54 PM

Pataki is about to announce he's dropping out, later today.

Cue Queen.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#107683: Dec 29th 2015 at 3:50:13 PM

Aren't driving licences federally mandated but not run? What about marriage licences? Voter registration? the drinking age? The federal goverment does all sorts of bureaucratic shit (Medicaid) well, people just refuse to accept it because it interferers with the narrative that the goverment is bad.

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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#107685: Dec 29th 2015 at 3:52:05 PM

The drinking age is federally mandated by virtue of the states being blackmailed/extorted into enacting such laws to keep federal highway funding.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#107686: Dec 29th 2015 at 3:53:02 PM

[up][up]okay, I think we can all agree, that man is fucking scum

edited 29th Dec '15 3:53:18 PM by FieldMarshalFry

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#107687: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:05:37 PM

Fucking economic motives. I wonder if he's a family man?

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#107688: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:06:43 PM

Perhaps I'm a bit hysterical, but it seems to me as though there's no such thing as justice and that I should just hide in my room and scream until the world ends.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#107689: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:10:22 PM

So Patrick is gone. Wonder how long O'Malley will stay in? I think he's running a skeleton campaign, so he might have the funding to do the first few primaries.

And I wonder if the RNC will start pushing Bush out to rally the moderate/establishment vote (what's left of it) around Rubio? Though we have to remember that the first few Republican primaries will distribute delegates proportionately, so it makes sense (if they have the money and even decent numbers) for many of the little players to stay in for now.

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#107690: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:11:47 PM

The jury's decision was just. Tamir was 5 foot 7, carrying a realistic looking gun, and the officers had not been told that the caller had said the gun was "probably fake", or been told his age. It may not be fair, to be sure nobody deserves death just because they had a fake gun, especially at such a young age, but the Jury made the right decision.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#107691: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:13:19 PM

The officer gave Tamir no time to react to his commands before killing him.

There was no attempt made to do anything but to immediately execute the boy.

Oh really when?
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#107692: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:14:34 PM

[up] Because it looked like he was pulling out a gun. If the cop had been wrong, the headline would have been idiot cop gets shot.

edited 29th Dec '15 4:16:46 PM by JackOLantern1337

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#107693: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:16:40 PM

No it didn't look like he was pulling a gun out because he wasn't given a chance to do anything at all.

Watch the video, he was given no time to react in any manner. Hostile or otherwise.

The officer drove up and made the decision to murder him. There's no debate about it.

edited 29th Dec '15 4:16:55 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#107694: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:22:42 PM

Yep. Here's the video. The car drives up to him, he twitches slightly, and then he gets shot through the window. Do also note that airsoft guns are not legally required to have an orange muzzle in any states except California. 'Sides, have you seen photos of the kid? He was big for his age, but he was very obviously a child.

What's precedent ever done for us?
Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#107695: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:27:49 PM

While I agree that the death of a 12 year old is tragic I do fault the police dispatcher more than the responding officer. The police dispatcher was told "There is a 12 year old black kid pointing a fake gun at people and making pew pew noises can you please make him stop?"

Said dispatcher proceeded to tell the responding officers "Black male is pointing a weapon at unarmed passersby." I would prefer the dispatcher was on trial for negligence by implying to the officers that they were responding to the opening stages of a mass shooting rather than a minor public disturbance. Which after the incidents in Oregon, Colorado and California would have the officers on edge.

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#107696: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:35:40 PM

[up] I'm not sure if this is relevant, but if you are talking about the shootings I think you are talking about, than they were all carried out by White people

Edit: I don't think I can make out what the gesture seemed like up close it seems to me like the kid was just opening his coat. Also, the cops couldn't have assumed it was a "mass shooting" as nobody was their, it just was a 12 year old, alone in the park. And why the hell did they feel the need to drive up to him? If they thought he was armed they should have stayed back, hell, probably called for back up. At the very least this deserved a grand jury indictment. Maybe those men were innocent of murder, maybe they weren't, but regardless, Tamir didn't deserve to die. I'd say something,but pretty much everything that can be said about this case already has.

edited 29th Dec '15 4:47:20 PM by JackOLantern1337

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#107697: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:38:44 PM

Because that totally matters when you get the call saying that an individual is pointing a gun at random MOPs.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#107698: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:42:37 PM

Jack explain to me this, if the logical response to a person reaching for what appears to be a gun, is to shoot them, why is that response not being carried out against the many white Americans who own actual guns, reach for them all the time and even go so far as to point them at cops?

Honestly at this point some of the fault is starting to maybe shift to the people who call 911, if you call 911 one a black person who may be violent/appear violent/dangerous then you should know by now that there's a good chance that person is goign to die.

edited 29th Dec '15 4:43:53 PM by Silasw

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#107699: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:53:41 PM

Do also note that Ohio is an open-carry state, so when they arrived on the scene, Rice would have been exercising his legal rights even if he was an adult with a real gun (I'm not a fan of open-carry, but when it is the law, it naturally demands more caution from police officers in how they approach people with firearms). You don't just go off the dispatcher's report, you verify the situation for yourself, and the officers here absolutely did not do that. It didn't help that the shooter had been described during his 2012 officer evaluation as twitchy and unsuitable to be anywhere near a gun, either.

What's precedent ever done for us?
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#107700: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:55:47 PM

[up] And that clearly shows. Though, as I understand it, open cary laws involve carrying the thing at your side or in a holster, not pointing it around, unless you are one of the idiot cops in Ferguson of course.

Edit: The guy's own father said he left because he "wanted more action." The guy should have been nailed on manslaughter charges at least. I'm so sorry for saying that verdict was anything but unfair.

edited 29th Dec '15 4:59:04 PM by JackOLantern1337

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