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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#107576: Dec 27th 2015 at 7:32:42 PM

Yeah Nox, where you live it would make sense to drive around in a tank, in the US less so, despite what people might think the US is not in the same state as Brazil.

A legal means of self defence isn't something I should need to carry, if I need to carry such a thing then something has gone massively wrong with society as is.

edited 27th Dec '15 7:34:30 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#107577: Dec 27th 2015 at 7:47:36 PM

I don't need to carry anything where I live, either. But I thank my lucky stars that I don't need to commute to someplace like South Philadelphia every day.

A concealed carry permit issued anywhere in Pennsylvania is valid anywhere in Pennslyvania. (They're issued by the county sheriff, and each county has slightly different requirements.) But Philadelphia keeps trying to ban all carry permits outright, and won't issue any in Philadelphia County. (What they still fail to grasp is that the people who apply for legal carry permits are not the problem; criminals don't care about things like permits.)

The State Supreme Court had to put its foot down, and rule that Philly can't overrule statewide law, and is not an island unto itself — no matter how much it would like to be, and no matter how much the rest of the Commonwealth of Pennslyvania would be happy to disown them. (I imagine that people who live in upstate New York feel the same way about the Big Apple — the big, rotten apple that spoiled the whole barrel.)

edited 27th Dec '15 8:15:14 PM by pwiegle

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#107578: Dec 27th 2015 at 8:43:55 PM

[up][up]I'd argue the inverse-if a place is relatively safe, then there's really no reason to have a lot of restrictions on the right to carry weapons.

Leviticus 19:34
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#107579: Dec 27th 2015 at 8:46:06 PM

Sure there is, idiots walking around carrying weapons will make the area much less safe.

Oh really when?
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#107581: Dec 27th 2015 at 9:18:46 PM

Quite frankly, the worshipful gun culture and the far right's fear of government are the contributing factors to the gun control debate. All of these people pushing for open carry and all this bullshit without giving significant thought to the whole idea of "Why would I actually need to do this thing?" and just bringing up fears about terrorists and shit. Open carry will not protect you from the people who's attack plan is attack when everyone's guard is down. The NRA's ability to block any significant study of gun deaths/what have you is frustrating as fuck too.

I mean, who the fuck thinks it's a good idea to go to a kid's baseball game carrying a rifle and telling the people attending that it's their right to do so? Or turn up at meeting of mothers discussing gun violence loaded with guns as a "protest"? Or get into an argument with a waitress and then decide it's fucking ok to shoot and kill her? Because this is all bullshit that's happened in this "debate". That last like a month ago.

Kind of hard to take the pro gun side of the debate seriously when you've got folks doing bullshit like that on your side making themselves look like fucking thugs and bullies. Who are, in fact, quite ready to use their guns on other people.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#107582: Dec 27th 2015 at 11:38:38 PM

@ Fry:

back on guns eh? well I maintain my position of "them Yanks be crazy" and that guns are FUCKING SCARY! if I saw someone with an open carry firearm, any kind, I would be scared, why would you carry that if you're not planning on using it to harm someone?

You've never been to central London, then? smile

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#107583: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:47:30 AM

The State Supreme Court had to put its foot down, and rule that Philly can't overrule statewide law, and is not an island unto itself — no matter how much it would like to be, and no matter how much the rest of the Commonwealth of Pennslyvania would be happy to disown them. (I imagine that people who live in upstate New York feel the same way about the Big Apple — the big, rotten apple that spoiled the whole barrel.)

What's with the bile?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#107584: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:52:51 AM

Pwiegle has some strong opinions regarding the second amendment.

Oh really when?
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#107585: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:58:51 AM

I'm going to need a more detailed explanation.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#107586: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:03:29 AM

He or she or they like it.

edited 28th Dec '15 2:04:30 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#107587: Dec 28th 2015 at 3:17:11 AM

I'm just mad because the politicians have their heads on bass-ackwards, and we gun owners always seem to get the shit end of the stick. In a knee-jerk response to any high-profile criminal act, the law-abiding people get a nagging lecture and a time-out from the Nanny State.

I was in Los Angeles in 1992 during the riots after the so-called "Rodney King" trial. 'Nuff said.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#107588: Dec 28th 2015 at 3:50:15 AM

Maybe I'm weird but I'd rather think that the people getting the shit end of the stick are the ones being shot or bullied/intimidated.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#107589: Dec 28th 2015 at 4:10:49 AM

[up]I think they call that "persecution complex".

FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#107590: Dec 28th 2015 at 5:04:53 AM

Green, course I have, I live in the fucking east end, I know what to look out for

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#107591: Dec 28th 2015 at 5:06:39 AM

[up] Like openly-armed Police in Westminster?

Anyhow, for me, it is slightly unnerving to see openly-armed Police but I know what they're there for — which is VIP Protection. Either way, as with all Police, not people to argue with.

edited 28th Dec '15 5:08:52 AM by Greenmantle

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FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#107592: Dec 28th 2015 at 5:21:29 AM

I got fucking nervous when I saw openly armed police in Waterloo, since that is NOT normal

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#107593: Dec 28th 2015 at 5:23:05 AM

It's so cute to watch you Englishmen get nervous about armed police when the ones here whip their guns out at the smallest provocation and kill minorities for fun on a regular basis.

Oh really when?
FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#107594: Dec 28th 2015 at 5:26:01 AM

exactly why we don't like the idea, last time there was an increase in the police being armed... this happened...

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storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#107595: Dec 28th 2015 at 5:50:37 AM

that the people getting the shit end of the stick are the ones being shot

Of course, gun owners are often also the ones who end up shot...

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#107596: Dec 28th 2015 at 5:57:37 AM

So if your brown, avoid Westminster ?

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#107597: Dec 28th 2015 at 6:17:56 AM

[up] Not that simple. Not here.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#107598: Dec 28th 2015 at 6:19:47 AM

Nah, European racism has more nuance than ours. Which is better I guess?

Oh really when?
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#107599: Dec 28th 2015 at 6:23:26 AM

The Long History of Leading from behind."

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#107600: Dec 28th 2015 at 6:27:18 AM

[up][up]Such nuance, just a few million bodies worth of people dead over a few decades.

France isn't that far behind to the US when it comes to racism and discrimination.

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