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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#107476: Dec 23rd 2015 at 9:02:07 AM

It only seems to be a big issue if it happens to anybody that's black. Or it could just be the Media latching on to what gives it better ratings.

edited 23rd Dec '15 9:17:47 AM by Skycobra51

Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.
Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#107477: Dec 23rd 2015 at 9:14:03 AM

Yea this argument that it never happens to white people, well, I'd really like to see some statistics brought to the table.

I'm not one to deny there being serious racial issues left, especially in some police departments, but I want to see the numbers.

I'm baaaaaaack
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#107478: Dec 23rd 2015 at 9:15:34 AM

Hey, watch me be an insufferable prick and do the following:

Are you telling me the prison system is flawed, full of death, and dangerous to be in? Let me file this under my "Sherlock" file on the "no shit" drawer. (For future reference please ask for the "No shit, Sherlock" address to my secretary)

Here are statistics made by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, and I want to point you out table 7 where it details how black people are more likely to die by homicide in prison than white people in prison, whereas white people are more likely to die by suicide than literally anything else.

This isn't politicized, this isn't an opinion article, these are just raw numbers. So if you look at these and you tell me there is not an issue of race here that is important to reduce those numbers, and that it is not more possible for it to happen to black people than it is to white people, and that it is then not worth it to bring about attention to these cases, then I am just going to shrug this one out.

People will die in prison, and they die in prison, and this is followed statistically. This is an inherent flaw of the current judicial system of the United States and many other countries. And yet it affects black people way more than it does white people in the United States. So bringing it to light is an important step to realizing this.

And yet the important thing here is who makes the headlines? That's absurd.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#107479: Dec 23rd 2015 at 9:23:27 AM

If a white woman was pulled over for little to no reason, assaulted by the policeman who did so, then died in jail under mysterious circumstances? Yeah, I think it would make headlines.

Of course, the scenario tends to play out a little differently if she's white. It goes more like: woman gets assaulted, doesn't die in custody, gets awarded $550,000 when she sues the department, while one of the officers involved is fired, the other suspended, and their captain demoted.

So black woman gets dead and nobody is held accountable, white woman gets paid more than half a million for a minor injuries and the cops are disciplined.

I wonder why there was such a difference...

edited 23rd Dec '15 9:24:42 AM by TheWanderer

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#107480: Dec 23rd 2015 at 9:26:10 AM

One lived the other died perhaps? The one that lived made a big deal out of it, and it was expedient to payout and repramind/fire the officers responsible just to be rid of her?

edited 23rd Dec '15 9:30:30 AM by Skycobra51

Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#107481: Dec 23rd 2015 at 9:43:40 AM

So, in Scenario A, we have a woman who violates a minor law about using her cell phone while driving, gets snippy with cops including cursing them out, gets beaten, people get outraged, the police settle the complaint for over half a million dollars, the cops involved get disciplined, (the one fired being a 22 year veteran) and so does their commanding officer.

In Scenario B, we have a woman who violates a minor law about signaling before changing lanes while driving, gets snippy with the cop who pulled her over, gets beaten, dies in prison, and there's no need for anyone to be disciplined or held accountable. The cop is still working for the department, despite prior issues with bad conduct.

So apparently, cuts and bruises on a white woman are a more worthy cause to discipline the authorities than the death of a black woman.

Man, it sure is too bad for white people that they have it so rough compared to black people. (I say as someone defined as white by the US.)

Edit:

it was expedient to payout and repramind/fire the officers responsible just to be rid of her?

... do you really think police forces are commonly in the practice of firing officers, especially veteran officers, just to settle a complaint? Because they fight tooth and nail to avoid ever publicly disciplining officers. If you think otherwise... then I'm just not sure how to discuss the issue with you.

edited 23rd Dec '15 9:46:27 AM by TheWanderer

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#107482: Dec 23rd 2015 at 11:01:57 AM

They might not like having officers with a reasonably good record, makes others look bad by comparison. Plus police departments love screwing cops out of money, a 22 year vet might be close to retirement, but if he's fired he's not gonna get a pension is he?

edited 23rd Dec '15 11:02:59 AM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#107483: Dec 23rd 2015 at 11:03:35 AM

Then let's move onto a different topic then.

Side note: Please tell me this is false

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/videostudents-sign-petition-boycott-racist-song-white-christmas

If its not, then I got to ask what the fuck is wrong with America.

Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#107484: Dec 23rd 2015 at 11:04:53 AM

Law of averages, I seriously doubt you're seeing everyone who responded in that video, just the few who gave the response the guy wanted.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#107485: Dec 23rd 2015 at 11:08:32 AM

[up][up] Is that happening in Cincinnati? It would be hilarious if so.

edited 23rd Dec '15 11:09:06 AM by sgamer82

Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#107486: Dec 23rd 2015 at 11:09:33 AM

[up][up]I figured that much. I'm just shocked that there are people who actually would go along with it. How is a song about snow racist?

edited 23rd Dec '15 11:09:57 AM by Skycobra51

Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#107487: Dec 23rd 2015 at 11:21:26 AM

I'm gonna go ahead and assume that people went along with it for shits and giggels, not seriously.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#107488: Dec 23rd 2015 at 11:22:41 AM

I'm rather cynical of PC culture myself, but that's so silly that there just has to be more to it then what we're hearing.

Leviticus 19:34
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#107489: Dec 23rd 2015 at 11:22:47 AM

Here's a thing

A bunch of stupid college kids does not have the political pull or power as American cops, who has a history of racism, or an American political party, who are more than happy to support banning brown people from entering the country.

So this white Christmas ban is nothing to get upset about as it won't go anywhere.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#107490: Dec 23rd 2015 at 11:22:50 AM

@ Skycobra: It contains the word "white", apparently. smile

[up][up] I doubt it.

edited 23rd Dec '15 11:24:02 AM by Greenmantle

Keep Rolling On
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#107491: Dec 23rd 2015 at 11:32:29 AM

Petitions don't mean much. You can get people to sign petitions for anything, up to and including banning the use of the dangerous chemical dihydrogen monoxide (ie, water).

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
MysteryMan23 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#107492: Dec 23rd 2015 at 11:54:18 AM

I wonder how many of the people who signed that petition have actually heard the song "White Christmas", or even understand what the term means.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#107493: Dec 23rd 2015 at 2:23:55 PM

[up][up][up][up] The thing is, these kids are our future leadership. So yeah their opinions matter quite a bit.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#107494: Dec 23rd 2015 at 2:33:24 PM

So, getting back to the Refugee crisis, there are reports that 70% of Syrians in Lebanon (disproving the trite "Why aren't their neighbors doing anything!?" crap I've heard recently) are currently subsisting on less than $3.84 a day, which is the line for Extreme Poverty there.

And on a related note, a German man invited a total of 24 refugees to stay with him and his partner, and related his "disappointing" experience on Facebook. And to clarify now, the "disappointing" comes attached to a Sarcasm Mode so large it would outdo the Comic Book Guy.

edited 23rd Dec '15 2:39:08 PM by ironballs16

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#107495: Dec 23rd 2015 at 2:47:01 PM

[up] When people say "why aren't their neighbors doing anything", they are usually referring to the Gulf states, which are filthy rich, and yet have taken almost no refugees.

Congress's surprisingly productive year

edited 23rd Dec '15 3:05:59 PM by JackOLantern1337

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#107496: Dec 23rd 2015 at 3:18:48 PM

As filthy rich as they be, most of that money is in the hands of the Aristocracy, or the Oil Shieks.

Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#107497: Dec 23rd 2015 at 3:40:07 PM

A fair amount works its way to the citizenry, it's how the Gulf States have avoided unrest in part, they literally gave everyone like $100 at the start of the Arab Spring, so as to keep people happy and from getting any ideas.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#107498: Dec 23rd 2015 at 3:51:56 PM

It should also be noted that Gulf Arabs treat non-Gulf Arabs much like they treat non-Arabs...like crap.

They are collectively a lot like Hungary.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#107499: Dec 23rd 2015 at 7:33:01 PM

[up] Accept much richer of course.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#107500: Dec 23rd 2015 at 9:34:05 PM

And assumably having fewer Nazis.

I mean, seriously Hungary that far right government is alarming.


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