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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Whites and rednecks are not protected classes subject to historical discrimination. In other words, they have privilege.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Schwarzenegger breaks party lines.
That, on the other hand, is going way too far. Maybe not in the public arena, but here it most definitely is.
@Shrina,
Trump has a solid 40% of the vote, and right now the runner up and only relevant competitor* is Cruz, the obligatory Evangelical fanatic of this election cycle. The moderate/mainstream candidates are pretty much cooked when those two collectively have a majority of the vote behind them.
- Though that changes by the month.
edited 22nd Dec '15 1:11:49 PM by Rationalinsanity
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Let's put it this way: you can criticize someone on the basis of facts or on the basis of their publicly professed ideas. Criticizing them on the basis of their racial or cultural demographics is tacky at best and illegal at worst.
Yes, it's probably at least a little hypocritical to talk about rednecks in a derogatory way, but unfortunately we have plenty of evidence of them living up to their stereotypes.
Put another way, I would not call any rural white person a redneck. A beer-swillin', shotgun-totin', n*****-hatin', Republican, evangelical rural white person is most definitely a redneck, and those people do exist.
edited 22nd Dec '15 1:16:44 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Every stereotype has its exceptions, and ignorance is not unique to either party.
Frankly, though, "rednecks" (rather, poor whites) are better served economically by voting Democrat, as they will be beneficiaries of the wealth redistribution that Democratic governments try to institute. Voting Republican is very much a self-defeating strategy for them.
edited 22nd Dec '15 1:19:52 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Ultimately, you are correct that we should be addressing the people specifically, not lumping them into buckets and applying labels, but it is a useful shorthand.
edited 22nd Dec '15 1:46:29 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"IIRC, if we're going for generalities, Trump's chief pillar of support, from early political analysis, appears to be the much laded and hushly spoken of "Missing White Voters" that Republican pundits and analysts spoke of after the 2012 election. Where it was suggested Republicans didn't need to get more minority votes, they just needed to awaken the sleeping giant of untapped Whites.
Thing is IIRC, serious Republican analysts and political scientists told the Republican elites "You don't want to tap these guys, doing that will be extremely dangerous to the long term health of the party. There's a reason they're missing".
Specifically that they trend to being working class/lower middle class whites. Who may lean towards more suburban/rural areas. Who based on general analysis, aren't very fond of career politicians. Of either aisle.
edited 22nd Dec '15 2:12:04 PM by PotatoesRock
Yeah, that untapped white vote is aging quickly and will soon be outnumbered by left-leaning (or at least not right-wing) demographics like youth, minorities (Latinos in particular), etc. The Bush era advisers put it best when Romney lost; the GOP is in a demographic boa constrictor.
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It is but that was worth it
It is. Especially the Cubans who generally hate Castro and want Cuba's government gone. Tends to happen when you flee oppression, The Vietnamese community is/was the same way, most came from South Vietnam or fled after the North conquered it. More recent immigrants are from communist Vietnam and I've heard there's some tension between the two groups.
edited 22nd Dec '15 2:36:12 PM by Joesolo
I'm baaaaaaackedited 22nd Dec '15 2:46:33 PM by NativeJovian
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.@Logo P, they do tend to be socially conservative at least. But the GOP has treated them like crap so they (along with other groups who align with the GOP on many issues, like religious African-Americans and religious non-Christians) go Democrat by default.
The Cuban American community tends to be the exception, and then the children and grandchildren of the exiles care a lot less about Castro.
edited 22nd Dec '15 2:50:33 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Socially conservative perhaps, mostly in terms of not liking gay people and being straight laced about sex, but compared to Evangelicals and the like, they look positively progressive. Most Latino immigrants are also from countries with a tradition of giving to and emphasizing with the poor. Nor does it help Republicans that they've spent years and years going out of their way to antagonize Latinos.
As for Cuban-Americans, they're such a tiny minority (0.6% of the population) that by all rights they shouldn't even count as a blip in American politics. They do generally have a rather different perspective on things than other Latinos, (they fled a harsh communist country, so they tend to be very much pro-Capitalist, pro-America, and are indifferent to immigration issues because for years on end Cubans fleeing Castro got moved right to the head of the immigration line) but like every other group in America are seeing a demographic shift, and young Cuban-Americans have very different views from prior generations. (For years, the Cuban community was considered a potential stumbling block to normalizing Cuba-American relations, especially since most are concentrated in the swing state of Florida, where they can potentially swing an election for President. Except when Obama actually went ahead and did it, it turned out that in poll after poll somewhere between 75-90% of Cuban Americans under the age of 50 approved of normalizing relations.)
That said, it's safe to say that Cuban-Americans are more likely to lean Republican than any other Latino group. It's no coincidence that basically every Latino Republican of note (including Cruz and Rubio) are Cuban-American.
edited 22nd Dec '15 3:00:16 PM by TheWanderer
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It got me in huge emotional turmoil of conflicting feelings, I was anticipating his words tremdously. "Why? How? Does it relate to what he said recently, about nothing working in America? Is he bitter about how the other Republicans treat him? What made him change his mind?" And then it all collapsed, and I was laughing my head off as all the tension lifted in one instant.
I just wanted to share this feeling with y'all. I thought it was exhilarating, in a "they got me good" kind of way.
edited 22nd Dec '15 3:05:16 PM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

Rhetorical question time, why is it okay to make jokes about whites and mock insane rednecks, but the minute someone makes a black or Hispanic joke all hell breaks loose?
Back to the topic at hand, it seems that it really doesn't matter who gets elected since Congress holds all the power anyway.
Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.