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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#107326: Dec 21st 2015 at 3:33:26 PM

[up] Its no big secret that our security is a wet paper bag. That's what happens when you take the cheap route.

edited 21st Dec '15 3:35:17 PM by Skycobra51

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#107327: Dec 21st 2015 at 3:35:40 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] Oh please, this country built nuclear reactors, and a space program (that is probably a cover for Ballistic Missile testing), not to mention a large supply of qualified engineers. I doubt they need any help building dams, and especially not from the US's broken ass infrastructure. And Iran could use this as a way to attack the US in the event that a war already took place. And Iran has launched many attacks against us in the past, killing our troops in Iraq being the most recent, and that has never led to war. Why would they think this was any different, especially since the US is in retreat from the region, and it would be difficult to prove Iran was responsible.

edited 21st Dec '15 3:45:34 PM by JackOLantern1337

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#107328: Dec 21st 2015 at 3:37:41 PM

Its a Dam. If it was a silo, then you could freak out.

But if their hacking is that big a problem, we should hack them back and spam their servers with the most vile porn known to man as well as penis enlargement ads.

edited 21st Dec '15 3:43:53 PM by Skycobra51

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LogoP Party Crasher from the Land of Deep Blue Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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#107329: Dec 21st 2015 at 3:42:21 PM

...especially since the US is in retreat from the region...

???

It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#107330: Dec 21st 2015 at 3:43:43 PM

Jack thinks we're dying for some reason.

Oh really when?
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#107331: Dec 21st 2015 at 3:48:58 PM

No, were pivoting to Asia, and the Obama administration has clearly shown the, in some ways admirable, belief that we should not intervene in the Middle East. Not to mention the fact that most of our allies don't trust us since we supported the overthrow of Mubarak, the Saudi's still haven't forgiven us for "betraying" him.

[up][up][up] What exactly could they do to the dam, my understanding was that hackers could cause breaches in dams or something like that, or damage the power generators.

edited 21st Dec '15 3:50:06 PM by JackOLantern1337

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#107332: Dec 21st 2015 at 3:50:15 PM

I'm jus' gonna sit this upcomin argument out.

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#107333: Dec 21st 2015 at 3:50:53 PM

Jack when are you going to understand that China has no long term future.

In about 20 years the nation will collapse as it's demographic problems come to a head. That's completely unavoidable now.

Oh really when?
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#107334: Dec 21st 2015 at 3:52:28 PM

[up] A few months ago everyone was predicting the death of the Chinese stock market, and yet it's doing fine now. Regardless Obama is still moving US strength to the Pacific.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#107335: Dec 21st 2015 at 3:54:41 PM

Why is every negative prediction about China incorrect but every one about the US right?

Oh really when?
LogoP Party Crasher from the Land of Deep Blue Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Party Crasher
#107336: Dec 21st 2015 at 3:56:22 PM

[up][up] Which is a... good thing. I mean, with China's current economic model, a big financial crash could only mean starvation for its peasants and lower classes.

edited 21st Dec '15 3:56:46 PM by LogoP

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#107337: Dec 21st 2015 at 4:03:38 PM

I doubt they need any help building dams,

Tech is tech, China steals US tech all the time, I'm pretty sure we once tried to steal the French aircraft carrier designs, people try and steal tech even if they don't technically need it to make their own.

Iran could use this as a way to attack the US in the event that a war already took place.

Sure I guess, but they've no reason to, I mean they might even use it as retaliation if you shoot down one of their civilian airliners in their airspace with one of your ships that is trespassing in their territorial waters, again.

Most developed countries could fuck with each other's infrastructure if they wanted to, it's part of how the modern age works, nobody worries about it because nobody has reason to do it, even in the event of a war launching an attack aimed only at your enemies civilians is a sure fire way to piss them off and get everyone gunning for you.

Why would they think this was any different,

Because it would be a provable attack upon the US itself instead of just troops oversees. Plus Iran's actions in Iraq were supporting groups that attacked the US, not attacking the US itself. When has launching an attack upon the US on its home soil ever worked out for anyone? You guys tolerate shit abroad but you do not fuck about if someone brings it home.

Also difficult to prove Iran was responsible my arse, you proved it this time didn't you? Plus who else would it be? It takes the abilities of a developed nation to do such an attack, sure that's a long list, but the list of nations with that capability that are for some reason crazy enough to do such a thing? That's a list of zero currently, if the list gets anyone on it then you'll know who did it or you'll have far bigger problems.

Edit: On China, everyone my arse, a few people on here have at times overacted to your assumption that China is gonna take over the world and declared that China is gonna imploded, but it's a few overreactions, not everyone.

edited 21st Dec '15 4:11:57 PM by Silasw

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#107338: Dec 21st 2015 at 4:03:45 PM

[up][up] I was not commenting on the goodness or badness of the events, but pointing out how doomsday prophets about China have so far been proven wrong.

edited 21st Dec '15 4:03:53 PM by JackOLantern1337

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#107339: Dec 21st 2015 at 5:08:19 PM

But you're a doomsday prophet about China too...

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#107340: Dec 21st 2015 at 5:43:12 PM

He's a doomsday prophet about China wanting to do something to the US, usually. Which uh... China doesn't. China's preoccupied with dominating is neighbors, most of the time. Weird thing about China is it's always been quite local with its domination of things.

Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#107341: Dec 21st 2015 at 6:56:52 PM

[up]Well China does love giving us the finger when it comes to copyright infringement, human rights and Climate Change.

On the bright side, at least we Americans don't have to wear gas masks to go outside and import water.

edited 21st Dec '15 6:59:14 PM by Skycobra51

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Know-age Since: May, 2010
#107342: Dec 21st 2015 at 7:03:23 PM

I think people are probably overstating how doomed China is, but if we go with that narrative shouldn't Korea, Japan, Russia, and maybe some EU countries also be fucked? Or is the demographic issue not as bad when you have an already developed economy? WTF is going to happen to northern Eurasia in the next few generations?

edited 21st Dec '15 7:03:35 PM by Know-age

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#107343: Dec 21st 2015 at 7:05:46 PM

edit: never mind.

edited 21st Dec '15 7:06:46 PM by wehrmacht

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#107344: Dec 21st 2015 at 7:39:53 PM

[up][up][up] Actually they have been trying to clean up their act on climate change, especially under Xi. Why would they want to end the world when their about to take it overtongue

[up][up] At least for Russia, Knit keeps insisting the fears of demographic doom are vastly overstated. For China, their demographic apocalypse is the result of the one child policy.

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#107345: Dec 21st 2015 at 7:43:25 PM

Clearly the one child policy , and not the multiple ethnicities that have a bone to pick with the Han Chinese or the lack of females are to blame.

edited 21st Dec '15 7:47:12 PM by Skycobra51

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Know-age Since: May, 2010
#107346: Dec 21st 2015 at 7:49:59 PM

Google tells me that China has a TFR of 1.66, whch is higher than Russia or Japan.

[up] Yeah.

edited 21st Dec '15 7:50:19 PM by Know-age

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#107347: Dec 21st 2015 at 7:52:16 PM

China will be fine. It's already course-corrected (one child policy now replaced with two child policy), but it won't be seen for another generation.

Back to US news, yes?

edited 21st Dec '15 7:52:41 PM by FFShinra

Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#107348: Dec 21st 2015 at 7:58:45 PM

Yes mom.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#107349: Dec 21st 2015 at 8:03:03 PM

It's not like it doesn't have it's own thread or anything.....

Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#107350: Dec 21st 2015 at 8:07:19 PM

I was joking.

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