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#107176: Dec 18th 2015 at 8:55:03 AM

Sure there is. It's just not as popcorn-munching dramatic as on the Republican side. We'd probably like there to be a bit more of it, though, and I'll definitely concede the point of the DNC trying to march Hillary to victory without any serious media attention. Still, I'd be largely satisfied with either of the two major Democratic candidates winning the nomination, and so would most of the party's voters to judge by the polls.

edited 18th Dec '15 8:55:33 AM by Fighteer

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#107177: Dec 18th 2015 at 8:55:17 AM

It always baffles me whenever I'm reminded that anti-vaxxers are crazy liberals rather than crazy conservatives.

Must be because I subconsciously associate anti-vax with "religious taboo" instead of "hippie stuff".

edited 18th Dec '15 8:55:47 AM by Medinoc

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#107178: Dec 18th 2015 at 8:59:48 AM

Eh, anti vaxxers come from both sides. You do have all natural hippie granola lovers, but you also have your anti-science, doctors and scientists are nothing but eggheads, it's all probably a conspiracy by the government and the Illuminati anyways and all we need is the Bible and God types.

There's a reason why only Republican candidates have voiced doubt about vaccines or done little things to not ruffle feathers with that crowd. (See Christie, Rand Paul, etc.)

edited 18th Dec '15 9:03:13 AM by TheWanderer

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#107179: Dec 18th 2015 at 8:59:50 AM

edit: Nevermind

edited 18th Dec '15 9:01:38 AM by Skycobra51

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#107180: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:02:21 AM

The right-wing anti-vaxxers tend to be religiously motivated and to combine their stance on vaccinations with a reliance on faith healing. Left-wing anti-vaxxers are paranoid about "big business" in the form of "big medicine" conspiring to conceal the harmful effects of their products. Same result, very different motivation, and the two do not get along.

Republican candidates can't talk badly about left-wing anti-vaxxers because to do so would piss off their own anti-science constituents. But here's the key difference: there are no Democratic candidates pandering to that portion of their voter base; in fact, every candidate that I've seen take a stance on the matter has strongly criticized them.

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edited 18th Dec '15 9:04:40 AM by Fighteer

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#107181: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:08:55 AM

That's debatable, I've never seen the left call out anybody that's not Republican. Usually the Dems try to ignore their crazies and hope they go away.

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#107182: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:09:35 AM

Nah, there've been quite a few Democrats telling people to STFU and get their kids vaccinated.

Edit: It just doesn't come up on the national stage very often because all the serious candidates know better. We don't empower our crazies by paying attention to them.

edited 18th Dec '15 9:14:16 AM by Fighteer

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#107183: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:11:55 AM

[up][up]People on the left typically aren't too fond of anti-vaxxers or eco-terrorists. They're less of an issue though because neither group is currently running the party.

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#107184: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:14:03 AM

"If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."- Scrooge, A Christmas Carol.

That sums up my thoughts on anti-vaxxers left&right.

edited 18th Dec '15 9:14:57 AM by Skycobra51

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#107185: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:14:59 AM

Except the anti-vaxxers won't die. They're going to kill their children instead. This is why I think they should be charged with child endangerment.

edited 18th Dec '15 9:15:29 AM by Kostya

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#107186: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:16:56 AM

And Jenny McCarthy should be arrested and charged with attempted genocide. That she can endorse this insanity without consequence is taking freedom of speech too far.

Of course, they don't just kill their own children, they inflict a lot of ancillary harm by transmitting disease to children who have legitimate medical reasons to avoid vaccines.

edited 18th Dec '15 9:18:28 AM by Fighteer

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#107187: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:19:28 AM

Either way they aren't going to suffer from this so saying "Just let the idiots kill each other" isn't a viable answer.

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#107188: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:20:38 AM

While we're at it, can we charge parents who refuse to seek medical treatment for children with cancer because they insist on praying the cancer away with child endangerment too?

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#107189: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:21:45 AM

That's just plain old stupidity on the parents part, but yeah, we totally should.

On the same note, should do the same for those idiotic parents that buy into natural healing. Fat lot of good its going to do if you have smallpox or somethin.

edited 18th Dec '15 9:25:18 AM by Skycobra51

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#107190: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:23:01 AM

[up][up] You mean give the parents cancer?

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#107192: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:29:43 AM

Yeah, I saw that headline. Makes me wonder. The DNC is not exactly handling itself with integrity in this nominating process.

edited 18th Dec '15 9:30:08 AM by Fighteer

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#107193: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:32:12 AM

"If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."- Scrooge, A Christmas Carol.

That sums up my thoughts on anti-vaxxers left&right.

Not only will they be killing their kids rather than themselves, they'll be killing the kids of other people. The kids whose health was too delicate or immune system is too weak to take the shot. The ones who are allergic to ingredients used therein. Etc.

Right now those kids are protected because everyone around them is immune and cannot be a carrier and unknowingly give it to them. Once the percentage of people who are immune isn't high enough for them to be safe, you'll see things like the Disney measles outbreak becoming more common.

But I suppose to the anti-vaxxers who believe the "vaccines cause autism" bullshit dead kids are better than autistic ones.

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#107194: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:36:30 AM

Hmmm...come to think of it that passage does fit the anti-vaxxers thoughts rather well.

And I suppose it'd be like bashing your head against the wall when trying to explain Autism is a birth defect, not caused by vaccination.

edited 18th Dec '15 9:37:15 AM by Skycobra51

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#107195: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:38:14 AM

And there's the bad luck that signs of autism generally start to show up right about the time that the first round of vaccinations are done on infants, which throws further fuel on the fire for the nutcases.

edited 18th Dec '15 9:38:39 AM by TheWanderer

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#107196: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:40:15 AM

It does make me wonder why these people never realized they didn't develop autism despite being vaccinated.

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#107197: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:50:50 AM

Logic doesn't jive well with nutjobs.

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#107198: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:59:24 AM

You can't argue with crazy.

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#107199: Dec 18th 2015 at 10:05:51 AM

You can, its just that it'll be going in circles.

edited 18th Dec '15 10:07:34 AM by Skycobra51

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