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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#107001: Dec 17th 2015 at 9:35:49 AM

[up][up]Yet, he spend more time bombing the other rebels than ISIL and even then he didn't do what the other NATO members haven't been already doing but with way more collateral damage.

edited 17th Dec '15 9:36:10 AM by AngelusNox

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Bense Since: Aug, 2010
#107002: Dec 17th 2015 at 9:41:47 AM

[up][up]You're doing a great job of demonstrating my point.

You obviously do believe the Left is better informed and more moral.

edited 17th Dec '15 9:43:02 AM by Bense

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#107003: Dec 17th 2015 at 9:43:26 AM

[up]Truth hurts? I don't know what else I can say. I'm not going to adopt a stereotypical drawl or speak in small words just to assuage someone's political sensibilities.

Yes, I believe that the left's overall position is both better informed and more moral. Obviously, I believe that or I wouldn't support it. Which is not to say that the left is pristine; there are some pretty colossal idiots over here that I'd happily get rid of if I could (anti-vaxxers, anti-GMO'ers, nihilistic environuts).

edited 17th Dec '15 9:44:45 AM by Fighteer

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#107004: Dec 17th 2015 at 9:45:01 AM

Economics, politics, and even morality aren't always subjective.

And quite bluntly facts have a liberal bias. It is the greatest achievement of the American Right to have convinced everyone otherwise.

Oh really when?
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Lost in Space
#107005: Dec 17th 2015 at 9:47:39 AM

It is the greatest achievement of the American Right to convince people that reality itself is subjective; that yelling nonsense loudly enough and often enough can make it true despite all evidence to the contrary.

In this, it is not breaking new ground, but rather gathering to itself all the people who reject facts in favor of their own reality. We see that quite obviously in the Republican primary.

edited 17th Dec '15 9:50:18 AM by Fighteer

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#107006: Dec 17th 2015 at 9:51:48 AM

The Left has an inherent tendency to adopt authoritarian attitudes because it believes it is better informed or more moral than the rest of us.

Doesn't everyone believe that they are better informed and more moral than their political opponents? Taking a position on anything necessitates that you think people with the opposite position are misinformed, at the very least.

I assume you're just matching stupid hyperbole with stupid hyperbole to make a point, though. In which case, cool.

edited 17th Dec '15 9:59:00 AM by majoraoftime

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#107007: Dec 17th 2015 at 9:56:38 AM

Clearly I am the superiorest for I belong to neither the left nor the right, nor even the United States.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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#107008: Dec 17th 2015 at 9:58:43 AM

[up][up] Which is where we need to fall back to independent, objective studies of those facts. For example, Ted Cruz' blatantly cherry-picked data about global climate change.

But Bense is most definitely using stupid hyperbole.

edited 17th Dec '15 9:59:00 AM by Fighteer

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Bense Since: Aug, 2010
#107009: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:13:06 AM

Well there certainly is plenty of hyperbole in this thread.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#107010: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:15:43 AM

Except me, obviously

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#107011: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:16:28 AM

[up][up] Not just this thread; anything that mentions China is sure to have plenty of hyperbole.

Which is where we need to fall back to independent, objective studies of those facts.

But aren't a lot of scientists brought and paid for?

edited 17th Dec '15 10:17:18 AM by Greenmantle

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#107012: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:17:13 AM

I can't actually say anything about China until Jack shows up.

Oh really when?
probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#107013: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:20:16 AM

Oh come on, I was really trying to avoid Trump related news, but still ran smacked into an artlce titled Putin praises Trump for whatever in the world news section. It's the very top one.

(flips the bird at both)

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#107014: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:20:38 AM

Don't mind me, I'm just hiding in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber until this hyperbolic discussion of hyperbole is finished.

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#107015: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:22:52 AM

Oy. After reading the posts, I can proudly say that sometimes it really does pay to be non-affiliated with either the left or the right.

edited 17th Dec '15 10:24:01 AM by Skycobra51

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A nice butterfly
#107016: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:24:20 AM

Sometimes, not taking a stance is the worst you can do, though.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#107017: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:25:57 AM

[up][up]. Middle way ftw.

Honestly, I do find it annoying to be labeled left or right even though I also understand that it's like a psychological shortcut.

Just wish that it would be more left center right, instead of only left and right.

edited 17th Dec '15 10:26:18 AM by probablyinsane

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#107018: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:26:10 AM

@Bense

At least you broke the circlejerk for a while.

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#107019: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:29:13 AM

Sometimes, not taking a stance is the worst you can do, though.

Quite. To not make a choice is choosing for things to continue in whatever direction they're going. For the majority to remain major and the minority to remain minor.

edited 17th Dec '15 10:30:17 AM by TobiasDrake

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#107020: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:29:50 AM

Politics tend to be awfully partitioned and partisan. Would be like getting into Labour vs SNP vs Tories

It just just easier to notice in the U.S because they are silly 'mericans

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#107021: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:29:56 AM

[up][up]The main reason I don't take a stance, is that my views don't really fall in line with either side.

I sure as hell can't be Republican if I support legalizing marijuana, gay marriage, abortion(though only in cases of incest and rape), and allowing the Syrian Refugees in.

I sure as hell can't be Democrat if I want tougher anti-illegal immigration laws, support gun ownershp, despise the idea of national healthcare, and think the whole idea of white privilege is a crock of shit.

edited 17th Dec '15 10:47:23 AM by Skycobra51

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Bense Since: Aug, 2010
#107022: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:33:52 AM

It is dismally disappointing to me that so many people don't understand the Electoral College, especially if they call for reform just because their guy didn't win.

Every time there's a presidential election there are a score of articles trying to explain it to the public again. It's not rocket science, folks.

True, it's not a perfect solution, but no solution in democracy is, and I certainly prefer it to a straight popular vote.

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#107023: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:37:52 AM

If we're being introspective, it sometimes feels like there are times here when everyone becomes a self-parody of themselves.

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#107024: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:47:13 AM

You obviously do believe the Left is better informed and more moral.

*Raises hand* I certainly do! After all, it's not the left who has presidential candidates stating that they're in favor of torture.

It's not the left that advocates genocide and carpet bombing.

It's not the left that tries to convince other countries to make being gay a death sentence offense or spends their time worshipping a homophobic dictator.

It's not left leaders or candidates who talk about Syria being Iran's route to the sea, or say that part of their foreign policy would be being a better friend to a King Hussein of Jordan, despite the fact that King Hussein died in '99, or that their strategy for North Korea would be to put Putin in a box, or are wrong on every single fact about what they say they will do with the military, etc.

It's not left wing news sources that leave their viewers knowing less about the world than people who don't pay attention to the news at all.

So yeah, while I roll my eyes plenty of times at fellows leftists and there are certainly individual issues and subjects where I may give it to righties, I've gone from being raised in a strongly right wing household and being one of those middle way, both sides have a point people into flat out disgust for what passes for the right wing these days in the US, especially among right wing leadership. It took me almost 30 years to get to that point, but I was eventually pushed there, whether I wanted to be or not.

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#107025: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:50:33 AM

[up][up][up] As far as the question of the morality of the American Left goes, there is the distinction that, of the two camps of Left and Right, the Left is the only one that makes the construction of a universal moral paradigm an ideological imperative.

[up] Welcome to the light side. We have crumpets. Also, I hope you like arguments over tedious minutiae.

edited 17th Dec '15 10:53:07 AM by Gault

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