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TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#106951: Dec 16th 2015 at 4:32:30 PM

If the Presidential election were decided directly by the popular vote then a candidate would only have to get a majority of the voters in the nation as a whole. He would spend all of his time in the most populated states trying to maximize the influence of his limited resources, and could ignore some of the the less populated states completely, because they don't have enough votes to overturn a majority in the more heavily populated states.

Wrong on two counts. Candidates already aren't doing anything in small states, the swing states get far more than half of the visits from the candidates. Very small and very big states are generally safely ignored, because everyone knows how they're going to vote anyway.

Secondly, just hitting the big states or the big cities isn't enough for a tipping point. Taking the 7 states that topped 10 million residents in the last census, if every single person in them voted for the same person, they'd still be in the minority.

See also:

edited 16th Dec '15 4:32:38 PM by TheWanderer

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#106952: Dec 16th 2015 at 5:37:50 PM

Now an interesting thing that could come about if the Supreme Court decides in favor of the plaintiffs in that Texas case is that someone from, say, California (or even Texas, though this wouldn't favor the GOP), could sue and say that Presidential elections are disenfranchising them because of small states like Wyoming, and forcibly giving more electoral votes to big states like NY, CA, and TX to meet that ratio of electors:voters in Wyoming.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#106953: Dec 16th 2015 at 6:01:28 PM

The logic of "only spend time in the states-" is absurd.

States aren't absolute barriers. You'd focus on regions with high population density of swing voters, but they already do that. The electoral college is nothing but a way to give some people three times to voting power as others. It's undemocratic.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#106954: Dec 16th 2015 at 6:02:52 PM

Eh, the flyover states are damned enough as is. Making them electorally powerless seems to be kicking them while they are down.

EDIT-

But then, I'm the weird sort of guy who thinks fifty states is ridiculous and that the state borders should be based on geography and viable population/economic centers....

edited 16th Dec '15 6:04:26 PM by FFShinra

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#106955: Dec 16th 2015 at 6:05:58 PM

The existing system makes only about 8 counties even remotely relevant. The idea that the electoral college actually promotes hardly anyone's voting power (aside from those few counties) is absolutely ridiculous.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#106956: Dec 16th 2015 at 6:06:57 PM

Well you still have to come up with an alternative. Simply trashing the existing system isn't enough.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#106957: Dec 16th 2015 at 6:07:08 PM

That's pretty much what they were based on at the time they were drawn, Shinra. The way they are now isn't exactly random. And redrawing borders based on population means we'd been redrawing them every time people shifted from one place to another. We already do that with electoral districts, but I imagine it'd be a pain in the ass to redraw our state borders on that basis every ten years.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#106958: Dec 16th 2015 at 6:08:30 PM

I don't mean redrawing states the same way one redraws districts. I mean have a major city as a capital rather than some podunk town, and drawing borders based on natural geography rather than straight lines. A lot of the flyover states were not drawn as anything but arbitrary.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#106959: Dec 16th 2015 at 6:12:24 PM

What states have a small town as the capital? Not every state has its biggest population center as the capital but every one I can think of has a decently sized city serving that function.

[up]Can you provide examples of what natural geography the flyover states should use? From what I hear they're mostly just flat stretches of land.

edited 16th Dec '15 6:13:16 PM by Kostya

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#106960: Dec 16th 2015 at 6:13:38 PM

They ended up in straight lines largely because the invention of trains made drawing along geology less relevant. In may cases they were drawn so as to include a major trade post/route within the state, or access to an important resource. Also, changing a state's capitol to a major population center just because it's a major population center is also pretty damn arbitrary.

Seriously, the borders we have are the result of months and years of negotiation before they were made official.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#106961: Dec 16th 2015 at 7:05:46 PM

Physical geography is still important even today, especially with regards to economic viability. Some of those states are too small as they stand, even if that was not the case back in railroad times.

Some states are too small, and others don't have worthwhile centers of growth. Some states are easier to redraw than others.

[up][up]Rivers, to answer your question. To go into further detail requires a thread of its own.

edited 16th Dec '15 7:06:15 PM by FFShinra

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#106962: Dec 16th 2015 at 7:09:45 PM

[up] The problem is that US states have a great degree of autonomy, and while their is little "state patriotism", I'd imagine a state like Road Island would very much resent being merged with Massachusetts.

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#106963: Dec 16th 2015 at 7:36:18 PM

I just did the math (rounding Wyoming's "voters per elector" to 200k), and if it were made proportional, California would get 194 electoral votes.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#106964: Dec 16th 2015 at 8:20:30 PM

The Federal Reserve has raised interest rates to between 0.25 percent and 0.50 percent.

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#106965: Dec 16th 2015 at 8:24:45 PM

[up]x4 Most states are shaped the way they are for multiple reasons it'd be a pain to get into. The series "How the States got their Shape" can explain it better than I could.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#106966: Dec 16th 2015 at 8:54:48 PM

What do these higher interest rates mean? Will things get cheaper or more expensive?

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Lost in Space
#106967: Dec 16th 2015 at 9:08:32 PM

I recommend the General Economics thread if you want a detailed explanation. The short version:

  • It won't directly affect prices.
  • It will affect the price you pay for debt — that is, interest rates on loans and credit cards will edge up.
  • It may cause a slight reduction in consumer spending, leading to lower overall demand and thus reduced hiring, slowing the recovery/growth of employment.

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#106968: Dec 16th 2015 at 9:16:19 PM

Question - are the Republican candidates saying they'll cut off relations with Cuba again if elected?

I expect Cruz would, and I think Rubio has said that he would, despite there being no rational or defensible reason for doing so.

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#106969: Dec 16th 2015 at 9:35:26 PM

Time for some news roundup:

Social studies classes teaching about the basics of Islam and other religion are being accused by the usual suspects of right wing activists as being an attempt at Islamic indoctrination of students

Williamson County, Tennessee, embodies demographic stereotypes about the South: The county just south of Nashville is overwhelmingly white, Christian, and Republican. But this fall, a curious controversy emerged there. Parents and school-board members have voiced worries about alleged Islamic indoctrination in the public schools.

In seventh grade, kids study world geography and history, including a unit on “the Islamic world” up to the year 1500 A.D. “Williamson County parents and taxpayers have expressed concerns that some social-studies textbooks and supplemental materials in use in Tennessee classrooms contain a pro-Islamic/anti-Judeo- Christian bias,” one school-board member, Beth Burgos, wrote in a resolution. She questioned whether it’s right to test students on the tenets of Islam, along with the state and district’s learning standards related to religion. She also said the textbook should mention concepts like jihad and not portray Islam as a fundamentally peaceful religion. “How are our children to reconcile what they’re seeing happening in the Middle East when they’re not even exposed to the radical sects of Islam like ISIS?” she said at a working meeting in mid-October. (Burgos did not respond to multiple emails and phone calls requesting comment.)

In interviews, a number of parents and school-board members used the word distraction to describe the local debate over “Islamic indoctrination.” “We have a shortage of bus drivers,” said a school-board member, Robert Hullett, at that October working meeting. “We have a problem with substitute teachers. We have things that are affecting our kids right now, and we're fooling around with this.”

Ultimately, the resolution was withdrawn, but Islam and education continues to be a topic of discussion. This week, the local chapter of Glenn Beck’s nationwide advocacy organization, the 912 Project, is hosting a townhall about it. Other Tennessee counties are talking about this, too. In October, the school board in Maury County, which borders Williamson, submitted a resolution to the State Board of Education questioning whether basic knowledge of world history “requires the depth of study of the underlying contents or tenets of world religion to the extent that the State currently requires in sixth and seventh grade social studies, especially given the impressionable nature of students’ ages during such grades.” The resolution also called for units covering religion to be moved to high school. In White County, farther east, a group that calls itself Citizens Against Islamic Indoctrination placed an ad in the local paper, the Sparta Expositor, featuring all-caps text: “ISLAMIC INDOCTRINATION IS IN SCHOOLS ACROSS OUR STATE AND OUR NATION,” it read, inviting parents and citizens to attend a town-hall meeting with a self-identified Muslim convert to Christianity.

...

The debate over “Islamic indoctrination” in schools hasn’t just been happening in Tennessee. In April, a high-school history teacher in Union Grove, Wisconsin, allegedly assigned her students to write a five-paragraph essay from the perspective of an American Muslim. In response, the American Center for Law and Justice, a D.C.-based legal nonprofit founded in 1990 by the evangelist Pat Robertson, wrote a letter to the school’s principal, advising him that this task violated students’ First Amendment rights. “This assignment is problematic because it required the students to adopt and adhere to Islamic religious activity and viewpoints,” wrote Carly Gammill, a senior litigator at the organization. “By requiring students to engage in and adopt a Muslim lifestyle, Union Grove is advancing a particular religious viewpoint.”

Gammill and the ACLJ have also been involved in the Tennessee cases, although the firm does not provide money to support particular issues or candidates in school-board elections and does all of its work pro bono. The organization claims it has been contacted by 7,000 Tennesseans about the way Islam is taught in social-studies classrooms. In response, it filed an open-records request with the state in September to be able to review lesson plans and other school materials. The request was later withdrawn.

“The ACLJ has become known as the place to call if your child is having an issue and … religion is being taught in what seems like an inappropriate manner,” said Gammill in an interview. She said the organization tracks First Amendment violations related to all religions, but most concerns tend to be about Islam. “All that these students are being taught is that Islam is entirely a peaceful religion, and that they peacefully colonized—I think we know historically that that is not entirely accurate,” she said. “It is very difficult to attribute ill intentions when you don’t have all of the facts. But it certainly raises questions about who’s behind this, and is this agenda-driven?”

...

It’s a fascinating question: How has Islamic indoctrination become a point of controversy in a county that’s chock full of churches? On one level, the concerns are about substance, such as whether Islam is being taught accurately and in proportion to lessons about other religions. But these questions seem to hint at something deeper and darker: fear. Perhaps that fear is all the more powerful in a place like Williamson County because the religion is largely an abstraction. In the absence of Muslim neighbors, it’s easier to see those who practice Islam as fundamentally foreign, and to elide their faith with violence.

Still, those who fear Islamic indoctrination in the county are likely a minority; at the very least, they don’t represent the views of many who live there. In 2014, a group of four moms started blogging on a website and Facebook page called Williamson Strong. Although they have pushed back on many of the initiatives proposed by the county’s relatively new school board, they have recently focused on challenging the anti-Islamic indoctrination campaign. Two of the founders, Jennifer Smith and Kim Henke, said they’ve been attacked for this and other issues. “We’ve been accused of not being Christian enough, not being Republican enough,” Smith said. And: “working for Obama, working for George Soros,” Henke added. “I’m also a solstice-worshipper—that’s one I’ve gotten, too.”

Smith said she has recently heard from a lot of parents about the Islamic indoctrination debate, and many have said they don’t want Williamson County Schools to promote any kind of religious values, Islamic, Christian, or otherwise. “It’s not the school’s job to teach my kids religion. It’s my job,” she said. “And it’s my decision where I want to go to church, or whatever faith I want to believe in or not believe in.”

Over the past year and a half, the group has gotten into a lot of fights. In the spring, a board member, Susan Curlee, filed a complaint alleging that Williamson Strong was acting as an unregistered Political Action Committee. The Registration of Election Finance agreed; Williamson Strong has appealed and filed a federal lawsuit. If nothing else, this legal back-and-forth shows just how contentious the county’s school-board issues have become, particularly with the involvement of groups like the American Center for Liberty and Justice. (This is not the only national organization that has become involved in the county’s local politics. In 2014, four of the six newly elected candidates were mentioned in ads and mailers paid for by Americans for Prosperity, the political lobbying organization founded by Charles and David Koch. The organization told The Tennessean it spent $500,000 on anti-Common Core campaigns in the state in the six weeks leading up to the school-board election.)

Firearms instructor and aspiring police officer reported to and questioned by police after asking about buying some ammo. Huh, I wonder why they felt they had to...

Sim Sangha, a 24-year-old Indian-American who is preparing to join the Los Angeles Police Department, said she asked a store employee last week about buying eight boxes of ammunition for her AR-15, a local NBC News affiliate reported.

Ms. Sangha said she ended up not buying any ammo and left after purchasing an exercise mask. On Friday, she was visited by two Fremont police officers, who said the store employee had alerted them.

“I’m Sikh. I’m Indian. I was born and raised in America. I’m a citizen here,” Ms. Sangha told NBC. “I’m not a Muslim, but even if I was, I don’t think that that’s grounds for them to call the police on me instantly.”

Police said they are on heightened alert since Islamic extremists opened fire at a holiday party in San Bernardino, killing 14 people, NBC reported. Police said the officers apologized to Ms. Sangha but defended their duty to check out what residents consider “suspicious,” the station reported.

“I feel like I was racially profiled,” Ms. Sangha said. “I have tons of friends who are both law enforcement officers and normal citizens here, and they purchase ammunition all the time in bulk, before the San Bernardino shooting and after that incident as well. They’ve never been questioned before and they’ve never had the police show up at their house before.”

... oh.

Head of NY State Senate convicted of corruption.

Dean G. Skelos, the former majority leader of the New York Senate, and his son were found guilty of federal corruption charges on Friday, a quick and devastating follow-up punch to the State Capitol, which has seen two entrenched leaders convicted and removed from office in less than two weeks.

The jury in Federal District Court in Manhattan took roughly eight hours over two days to reach its verdict against Senator Skelos, 67, and his son, Adam B. Skelos, 33, finding them guilty of all eight bribery, extortion and conspiracy counts.

The Skeloses were undone by the perversion of a simple fatherly impulse: There was little that the elder Skelos would not do, or ask, for his son. They used the father’s position as majority leader to pressure a Manhattan developer, an environmental technology company and a medical malpractice insurer to provide Adam Skelos with roughly $300,000 via consulting work, a no-show job and a direct payment of $20,000.

Dean Skelos, a Republican from Long Island, had been one of the most powerful men in state government until his arrest this year, and his conviction — along with the conviction of his former colleague, the longtime Assembly speaker, Sheldon Silver, a Manhattan Democrat — is sure to have repercussions beyond the courtroom. As in Mr. Silver’s case, which ended on Nov. 30, the verdict resulted in Mr. Skelos’s expulsion from the State Legislature, where both men had served for more than three decades.

And for the record, in addition to both Skelos and Silver, the previous head of the State Senate also had to resign about 6 or 7 years ago with corruption and fraud charges hanging over his head. Go New York! Show those wannabes in Chicago, Wisconsin and New Jersey that they're not on our level of corruption.

Speaking of Chicago and corruption though: a look inside the world of the Chiacago PD, and its systematic corruption and cover ups.

Thanks to clear video evidence, Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke was charged this week with first-degree murder for shooting 17-year-old Laquan Mc Donald. Nevertheless, thousands of people took to the city’s streets on Friday in protest. And that is as it should be.

The needlessness of the killing is clear and unambiguous:

Yet that dash-cam footage was suppressed for more than a year by authorities citing an investigation. “There was no mystery, no dead-end leads to pursue, no ambiguity about who fired the shots,” Eric Zorn wrote in The Chicago Tribune. “Who was pursuing justice and the truth? What were they doing? Who were they talking to? With whom were they meeting? What were they trying to figure out for 400 days?”

There is no doubt that Officer Van Dyke acted badly. As he faces murder charges, there remains a need to demand accountability for the Chicagoans complicit in the injustice he perpetrated.

Protestors want accountability for investigators whose inexplicable slowness allowed Van Dyke to remain on desk detail and to collect a paycheck from taxpayers. And the civic derelictions of duty run even deeper. They implicate Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, the city council, Police Superintendent Garry Mc Carthy, rank-and-file cops, Pat Camden, who speaks for Chicago’s Fraternal Order of Police, and members of the press who credulously report police-union talking points.

All played a part in a corrupt status quo. Until it is reformed, more Chicagoans will die needlessly at the hands of police. The failures are especially inexcusable in the aftermath of both a relatively recent police torture scandal and an off-the-books holding facility scandal where rights to an attorney were willfully denied. Each scandal illustrated the importance of sunlight in the Chicago police department.

City leaders kept blocking it anyway.

A Failure to Punish Misbehaving Cops

The New York Times unearthed a stunning anecdote last week about one Chicago cop’s record:

In 18 years with the Chicago Police Department, the nation’s second-largest, Jerome Finnigan had never been disciplined — although 68 citizen complaints had been lodged against him, including accusations that he used excessive force and regularly conducted illegal searches.

Then, in 2011, he admitted to robbing criminal suspects while serving in an elite police unit and ordering a hit on a fellow police officer he thought intended to turn him in. He was sentenced to 12 years in prison. “My bosses knew what I was doing out there, and it went on and on,” he said in court when he pleaded guilty. “And this wasn’t the exception to the rule. This was the rule.”

The newspaper then zoomed out, citing data on officer complaints liberated by several non-profit groups that had to fight for a decade to get it released. The full context is more stunning:

...the data for 2015 shows that in more than 99 percent of the thousands of misconduct complaints against Chicago police officers, there has been no discipline. From 2011 to 2015, 97 percent of more than 28,500 citizen complaints resulted in no officer being punished, according to the files.

Although very few officers were disciplined in the years covered by the data, African-American officers were punished at twice the rate of their white colleagues for the same offenses, the data shows. And although black civilians filed a majority of the complaints, white civilians were far more likely to have their complaints upheld, according to the records.

In short, Chicago does an atrocious job of identifying and disciplining bad cops. And this failure appears to have directly contributed to the wrongful death of Mc Donald—Van Dyke had 18 civil complaints filed against him, but had never been disciplined. “The Independent Police Review Authority, the civilian board that handles the most serious cases, doesn't take into account previous complaints against the same officer when investigating a new one,” according to a Tuesday editorial in the Chicago Tribune. “11 officers racked up a combined 253 complaints that resulted in a single five-day suspension. Come on. What does it take to flag a problem cop?”

Definitely check out the links in the text there. You may also want to listen to an NPR interview regarding these events with the author of the article here.

The first police trial over the death of Freddie Gray has ended with the jury deadlocked and the judge declaring a mistrial.

An in-depth look inside the budget deal.

Edit: fixed the link on that last one.

edited 16th Dec '15 9:40:24 PM by TheWanderer

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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
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#106970: Dec 17th 2015 at 5:37:57 AM

In some happier minor US news, the shithead who bought rights to the Toxoplasmosis drug and raised the price to $900+ per pill has just been arrested on fraud charges.

Oh, and apparently a recent bill that was passed sneaked in some pretty heavy neutering of existing food laws under the radar. Trans fat legislation, improvement of school lunches, labeling/disclosure of origin requirements, and nutritional info requirements have been seriously cut back. Also, more pandering to the antiscience GMO scaremongering crowd.

edit-short NPR breakdown

edited 17th Dec '15 5:41:11 AM by carbon-mantis

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Lost in Space
#106971: Dec 17th 2015 at 6:23:18 AM

[up] Oh, joy.

Maddow featured some "highlights" from the GOP debate on her show last night. Among the gems:

  • Carly Fiorina would rehire all the generals that Obama fired to fight ISIL... except he didn't fire any of the ones she named. Two resigned under scandals and one left his position before Obama even took office. Even Fox News shot down that whopper.
  • Chris Christie would stand up to King Husain of Jordan, who has been dead for 16 years. Hey, it's nice that he can name one Middle-Eastern leader, right?
  • Trump apparently doesn't understand the first thing about our nuclear arsenal; he was reduced to stammering out a non-answer that "it's really awesome and powerful" when asked how he would prioritize among the triad (B-52 bombers, ICBMs, and missile submarines).

Sing along with me: "It's a fact-free zone, it's a fact-free zone, it's a fact-free zone on the riiiiiiiight!"

edited 17th Dec '15 6:41:55 AM by Fighteer

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Shameful Display
#106972: Dec 17th 2015 at 6:37:37 AM

[up] What's he got against King Husain? The man was one of our better allies in the region, hell he even personal flew to Israel to warn them about the impending Egyptian and Syrian attack in 1973.

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Lost in Space
#106973: Dec 17th 2015 at 6:41:47 AM

I wasn't clear if he meant "stand up to" or "stand with". And sorry for the misspelling.

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#106974: Dec 17th 2015 at 6:57:12 AM

In any case, if Christie (or any American head of state, really) should be standing up to someone, that's Saudi Arabia.

It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
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Lost in Space
#106975: Dec 17th 2015 at 6:59:37 AM

I'm more concerned that Christie hasn't bothered to learn the names of any heads of state over there who are not deceased. If he's going to name-drop, couldn't he pick at least a living person?

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edited 17th Dec '15 7:01:04 AM by Fighteer

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