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Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#106801: Dec 15th 2015 at 2:04:03 PM

I really want to try to make the argument that they're not advocating or supporting genocide, but this is virtually the same rhetoric from the lead-up to the holocaust so I really can't.

It's just inane that one of our two major political parties is increasingly behaving like the early nazi party.

EDIT- meant but say insane but fuck it, that works too.

edited 15th Dec '15 2:04:33 PM by Joesolo

I'm baaaaaaack
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#106802: Dec 15th 2015 at 3:36:56 PM

The undercard of the GOP debate is going on, for those who want to see.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#106803: Dec 15th 2015 at 3:40:19 PM

I thought I might tune in to see what's going on, then immediately was hit with George Pataki rhapsodizing about radical Islam and how Obama's refusing to call it what it is. I turned it off.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#106804: Dec 15th 2015 at 3:40:46 PM

Santorum is doing the exact same thing now

Oh really when?
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#106805: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:03:28 PM

Surprised Gilmore hasn't bowed out yet....

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#106806: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:03:28 PM

Would someone mind explaining to me why the phrase "radical Islam" is problematic? I'm not saying that it's not, I just don't know why it's any different from calling, say, the WBC a radical Christian group.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#106807: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:04:52 PM

Nothing wrong with it on its face. But in context, it's a dogwhistle for Obama being Muslim-friendly-more-than-America-friendly.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#106808: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:06:52 PM

I don't think it's problematic at all. In fact, the "Radical" part is the point-they're describing radical Muslims, not all Muslims.

Leviticus 19:34
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#106809: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:11:47 PM

Yeah, I kinda feel like the Dems are going a bit too far to avoid being offensive with this one. The important thing is to make clear that Daesh and their ilk don't represent all of Islam, not pretend that there's no religious element to them at all.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#106810: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:14:22 PM

Yeah, it would also defeat that dogwhistle's usefulness.

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#106811: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:16:41 PM

Seeing Hillary news as top news instead of fucking ykw is such a delight.

Hillary Clinton, you will become the next president of the united states of america, so help me god!

Plants are aliens, and fungi are nanomachines.
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#106812: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:17:21 PM

I take it the bloom is off the Sanders rose with most Dems?

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#106813: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:22:56 PM

:(

WHY ARE YOU DISCARDING THE GUY?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#106815: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:24:18 PM

[up][up][up][up]"fucking ykw" running for prez is the best thing that ever could have happened to Hillary.

A year ago, my mantra was: "Anyone But Hillary." Now, I've changed my mind. Compared to a certain orange-haired orangutan, Hillary becoming POTUS doesn't sound so bad.

edited 15th Dec '15 4:24:30 PM by pwiegle

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majoraoftime (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#106816: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:28:40 PM

Clinton kind of scares me, to be honest. But she has by far the most political capital and just regular old capital of any Democrat, so she can rally the base way more than Sanders can. Trump won't be able to survive running against her, and I don't see the Republicans being able to produce a viable substitute. So yeah. Hilary for 2016. Kinda skeptical of how she'll turn out, but that's who it's gonna be.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#106817: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:29:56 PM

Hillary is a focus-group built billionaire careerist with the fakest winning smile I've ever seen. When She Smiles, I feel fear and mistrust.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#106818: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:32:09 PM

Obama doesn't want to use radical Islam because fundamentally, the mentality of "islamic" terrorists is a gross distortion of Islam, and it offers them legitimization they don't deserve. Add that to the fact that they're trying to have the Islamic community be on board with snuffing this kind of thing out, and it's just a good idea not to use the term Islamic Terrorism™ whether that's an accurate description or not.

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#106819: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:32:47 PM

[up][up] Shhhh. Better Clinton than ykw. Seriously, I'm trying to not even mention ykw who anymore.

I'm also nursing tiny hope that Sanders will be her VP. It's still very tiny hope right now.

edited 15th Dec '15 4:33:00 PM by probablyinsane

Plants are aliens, and fungi are nanomachines.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#106820: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:34:43 PM

Objectively and in a vacuum, "Radial Islam" is absolutely the correct term to use and it seems ridiculous that Obama and the left are avoiding it.

But in the context of the current political climate and American culture it's obviously just a dog whistle that means anyone brown should be lynched.

Oh really when?
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#106821: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:50:46 PM

Again, whether it's a meaningful and fitting phrase or not, I find irrelevant. It's a matter of foreign policy what is most effective for meeting the goals of the United States.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#106822: Dec 15th 2015 at 4:57:06 PM

Scary that, apart from putting more emphasis on the fighting than on the rebuilding and Bushlove, Graham sounds the most sane.

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#106823: Dec 15th 2015 at 5:03:08 PM

Look at this look at this the current top news of Google USA:

Timothy Peake
Arvind Kejriwal
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Star Wars
Saudi Arabia
Iran
World Trade Organization
United States Congress
High school
NASA

I do not ever want to see ykw in this list.

Edit: Ah shit, he's back. Grr...

edited 15th Dec '15 5:08:25 PM by probablyinsane

Plants are aliens, and fungi are nanomachines.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#106824: Dec 15th 2015 at 5:22:26 PM

If we make this a war against Islam, radical or otherwise, we will lose. It's a war against terrorism. Those on the right who use the term "radical Islam" see themselves as fighting an existential conflict between Western and Islamic cultures. It's a jingoistic dog whistle.

Ask any of these folks on the GOP side if they are willing to commit the resources that it would take to properly sort out the mess: between a quarter and a half-million troops occupying Syria and Iraq for the next ten to twenty years.

edited 15th Dec '15 5:23:38 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#106825: Dec 15th 2015 at 5:26:45 PM

They've already explicitly said no. They wanna go in, kill as many people as possible and get out.

One number that was pushed was "ten days".

Oh really when?

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