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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
@ Pwiegle: I'll call it like I see it. When the cops get away with murder and other crimes regularly, I'll call them "The fucking Nazi SS". The only reason they haven't clamped down on dissent against them is because they haven't got the right president for that.
As for the "if they drew their weapon on you, you are at fault" that is bullshit and you know it. You're smarter than that.
As for the "race card" thing, sorry, I'm laughing - that argument sounds like something a Fox News Alleged Journalist would use.
The fact is, more and more, the police do respond to situations with guns blazing, and they always it seems get away with it.
They've also taken to threatening Quentin Tarantino, saying there would be a surprise waiting for him on the release of his movie The Hateful Eight. Which, coming from these Third Reich-ish fuckers, is terrifying.
edited 13th Dec '15 4:52:50 PM by NickTheSwing
Bold, categoric statement of fact. Citation Needed.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Incidentally, the reason why there are no statistics on gun violence is because Republicans in Congress passed legislation making it illegal for the government to spend money on researching gun violence as a public health issue, which I agree with you is bullshit. But blame the NRA culture for that one.
Also, if you're in the group where, for you, American society really is a police state (for example, a young African-American male), as a practical matter, do you think that fighting back against a cop will make them realize what they did wrong the next time you have to deal with them? No, it means you're in their files as the guy who resists arrest, and you're that much more likely to be taken down violently next time you meet them, whether or not that's legal.
Even though he was - due credit
suspended, it is really telling this is the kind of guy who makes it on to police forces.
Tell me again how these people
somehow aren't the Nazi SS when they chat about their kill-streaks?
Because seriously, this is getting very familiar very fast.
Lots of cops have inherited Reinhard Heydrich's "sense of humor".
edited 13th Dec '15 6:03:22 PM by NickTheSwing
Frankly, if I was a black man, I would be pretty afraid of the police. I suspect that deep down a lot of police officers understand that not every black man is liable to be a threat to public safety or some kind of criminal, but hold a "better safe than sorry" mentality, even if it's based on racism.
edited 13th Dec '15 6:04:12 PM by wehrmacht
No it was about an attitude that if people don't want to get hurt they should "do what I (the cop) tell them". If what they tell you is illegal/something they have no legal right to ask, then you shouldn't be doing it out of fear of being hurt, I mean I'd understand if you did, but a cop shouldn't belive they can hurt you if you don't do what they tell you because you aren't allowed to tell them to do that.
This isn't about people resisting arrest, it's about people being able to say "you don't have the right to make me do that" and not be hurt for it.
And what I am arguing is that the standard for what constitutes "armed and dangerous" is a racist bullshtis double standard. Look I don't like your gun laws but they are what they are, that means that people have a legal right to carry weapons, gun, knives and more, yet totally non belligerent black youths are getting killed a frightening amount for looking like they have a weapon. I don't care if they're armed, they're allowed to be armed, God knows why, but they are, so the police realy need to stop treating an armed black person like an instant threat, because they're sure as hell not doing it to white people, as seen by the example that started this all, a masked heavily armed white man being threatening as fuck outside a Mosque.
No not all police are trigger happy racists, but the number of bodies pilling up indicates that a scary number are.
And it's not the lack of federal stats on gun violence genrally that I was talking about, many areas don't keep records on the number of police shootings, they simply choose not to, it's nothing to do with the NRA.
Sure but you don't live in constant fear that even when crossing the street a legal street crossing when the lights are red for the cars, that a car will randomly decide to run you down despite you doing everything right. At least I hope not.
edited 13th Dec '15 6:17:03 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranNo one's saying they should hurt you. But 99% of the time an issue of resisting arrest/ arguing with a cop comes up, that's exactly what they're not doing. It's people refusing to respond to questions, closing windows, and not complying with legal orders.
It deeply depends on the situation. Non black people get shot for having weapons too, and many situations are ones where they were, again, not complying with what they were told. When the police are convinced someone has a weapon, sudden movements or reaching for pockets will look like the person is trying to draw a firearm. They do not have the time to wait and see if they're going to get shot to death.
What usually happens is the person does not do as they're told, which loops back into the whole "unless it's actively harmful, do what they tell you to do". If it's illegal, sue their asses afterwards, that's why courts exist.
edited 13th Dec '15 9:15:50 PM by Joesolo
I'm baaaaaaackThe next debate is going to be so much fun.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Trump: Hmmm, my fascist cred isn't strong enough yet...I know! Let's shut down parts of the Internet! Free speech is stupid anyway!
Who wants to bet the majority of Trump supporters don't actually go online very often?
(Not that the article's writer is much brighter than Trump, given that the article assumes that the Internet only works geographically...)
edited 13th Dec '15 10:37:35 PM by TotemicHero
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)Speaking of Internet restrictions, what happened to the SOPA/CISPA/whatever-they're-calling-it-now proposals? I heard they were trying something again a few months ago, but never heard anything since then.
They talked about Trump on the British Have I Got News For You show this week, strait up calling him a deluded facist (well his policies, Trump's "wake up" bit was joked to be "wake up to Fascism, a simple hate filled solution") who's friends with Piers Morgan, though the last bit was called false, as we all know that Piers Morgan has no friends.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranProbably. Mind you, the actual "Hitler did nothing wrong" types are an extreme minority. But Trump is their guy.
This is part of why what I want to see most out of this election is a definitive splintering of the Republican party. The differences between the people who believe in Trump's genuineness, versus the people who are okay with the establishment's fakeness, would be absolutely fascinating to examine.note
@Nick you are trying a bit too hard to Put On The Reich on Trump, could you tone it down maybe? As bad as he is, there is a still a lot of space between just talking about it and actually doing it. And as bad as the situation of the police in the US is, still not as bad as the actual SS or Gestapo.
Using the terms as if interchangeable comes across as needlessly hyperbolic and flanderizing. Furthermore it robs the comparison of impact if its actually warranted. As you do it, its just polemics.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that the situation is current as bad, but as Trump wants to put people in internment camps Trump certainly seems like he wants to make it that level of bad.
Alright, I'll tone down what I'm saying. I suppose that not all the police are over-militarized State Sec wannabes.

In the sidebar on Field Marshal Fry's link
lasttwo pages ago, I found this gem. Posting here just in case you want any more fodder for revenge fantasies or reasons to hate Karl Rove. http://tinyurl.com/h6clnmxFreakin' page toppers.
edited 13th Dec '15 3:27:36 PM by Artificius
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