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#106626: Dec 13th 2015 at 3:12:22 AM

@ TerminusEst: Same here; any out-of-the-ordinary use of force and Police Regulator automatically gets called in, even if one shot is fired.

edited 13th Dec '15 3:13:05 AM by Greenmantle

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#106627: Dec 13th 2015 at 5:09:01 AM

so... this happened... http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/armed-bigots-again-terrorize-texas-muslims-this-time-met-by-an-anti-hate-movement/comments/#disqus lets call them what they are, terrorists

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#106628: Dec 13th 2015 at 5:20:22 AM

Why does this even happen? Is it San Bernadino? Or the remmants of post 9/11 mentality?

Because, as far as Western countries are concerned, the US is easily one of the least affected by the refugee crisis and the ISIS debacle.

It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
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#106629: Dec 13th 2015 at 5:33:58 AM

paranoia, fear, stupidity, and easy access to firearms, nasty combination

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LogoP Party Crasher from the Land of Deep Blue Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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#106631: Dec 13th 2015 at 5:51:50 AM

George Bush Sr. is Palpatine.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#106632: Dec 13th 2015 at 6:11:46 AM

Now imagine if it was a bunch of Muslims wearing a death's head mask, dressed for armed conflict, with deadly weapons to stalk innocent in a church?

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#106633: Dec 13th 2015 at 7:00:52 AM

exactly, it's a double standard

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#106634: Dec 13th 2015 at 7:13:58 AM

It has more or less happened. Just not in the US. The perpetrators were thrown in jail.

edited 13th Dec '15 7:14:16 AM by LogoP

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#106635: Dec 13th 2015 at 7:23:32 AM

only difference is these people are white and Christian, and that makes it perfectly okay, they should be rotting in prison...

  • sigh* you know what, this is probably one of the only circumstances I would support civilian ownership of firearms, the poor bastards the terrorists are trying to intimidate should get guns, they are clearly at the mercy of an armed terrorist organisation, their enemies are armed, they should do so likewise

edited 13th Dec '15 7:29:39 AM by FieldMarshalFry

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#106636: Dec 13th 2015 at 7:29:07 AM

We should also be having a serious discussion about rightwing Christian terrorism.

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#106637: Dec 13th 2015 at 7:31:35 AM

we do have a general terrorism thread, perhaps we should open a more specific one about about Christian Terrorists?

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#106638: Dec 13th 2015 at 7:35:39 AM

I was talking about the US as a whole. We need to seriously discuss this issue and label it terrorism.

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#106639: Dec 13th 2015 at 7:37:52 AM

I doubt the Republican Party will like that, it'll label a good chunk of their voter base terrorists

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#106640: Dec 13th 2015 at 7:52:13 AM

Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?

Essentially what is said is basically; we are higher up than you. We are better than you civilians. Our honor is our loyalty. Do not even think you can ever call us out or I will kill you.

Uh, yes? That's the whole point of police. The represent the government and are there to settle disputes and enforce the laws. Non-compliance is going to make things worse for you. If you do something wrong as a child, do things get better or worse if you argue with and insult your parents?

Unless a police officer is violating your rights there is no reason not to be compliant. They're just doing their job. Answer what they ask you. If you've done nothing wrong, or have a small issue(out head light, etc), they'll just let you go 9 times out of ten.

If you act like an asshole 90% of the time there's A- something the person is hiding or B- something they can find(obstructed vision, etc). It's not worth it.

If they're being actively abusive or violating your rights that's a totally different story. But almost every time I see an issue like this come up on video, the person pulled over had something incredibly minor and decided to fight with the officer over the issue.

edited 13th Dec '15 7:57:36 AM by Joesolo

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#106642: Dec 13th 2015 at 8:09:39 AM

Trump also reiterated his desire to run as a Republican, but said he was keeping his options out to making an independent bid. He said he understood why establishment Republicans would meet to prepare for a brokered convention to deny him the nomination.

"I understand where they're coming from," he said. "This wasn't supposed to happen. They were supposed to pick a governor, a senator, you know, a puppet, where they control him, 100 percent. This wasn't supposed to happen."

Pretty self-aware on his part.

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#106643: Dec 13th 2015 at 8:14:37 AM

He's actually right. The establishment hates him for unapologetically being what they'd like to keep in the shadows and because he is self-funded, they can't make him stop.

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#106644: Dec 13th 2015 at 8:54:51 AM

Trump was always going to have trouble in Iowa because their GOP base is more religious, and that's the one thing Trump really hasn't pretended towards being.

He fits the "underdog outsider" profile that New Hampshire voters seem to enjoy better, however.

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#106645: Dec 13th 2015 at 8:57:12 AM

[up]X5 Thing is the statement quoted makes no allowance for the idea that he might be wrong, that what he's doing might be illegal, saying "no you can't arrest me what you're doing is illegal" is just grounds for him to beet the shit out of you for daring to question him.

The police have the authority to enforce the law, not the authority to make you do whatever they feel like.

The line is "do what I tell you", not "do what I have legally told you to do", I'm allowed to disobey an illegal order from a police officer and he doesn't get to shoot me for it.

edited 13th Dec '15 8:59:56 AM by Silasw

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#106646: Dec 13th 2015 at 9:33:46 AM

Local PDs are usually pretty fucking awful and can't be trusted. There's a reason the National Guard took over for them in Ferguson.

Oh really when?
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#106647: Dec 13th 2015 at 9:45:55 AM

It's interesting that Cruz is pushing ahead of Trump. It's not something that I would have predicted, necessarily, but neither is it surprising. The point is that each captures a different facet of the current GOP insanity. Cruz's seems to be rising now, but I do wonder what's causing Trump's to decline.

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#106648: Dec 13th 2015 at 10:07:25 AM

Increase in number of voters? We're getting closer to the primaries officially starting, so more and more primary voters will be paying attention.

Look at it this way, if there are 1,000 Republican primary voters but at the start only 400 are paying attention, Trump would look to lead strongly with 200 votes, but if all of Trump's voters base are that 200 he's gonna be nothing once the full 1,000 are being counted.

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#106649: Dec 13th 2015 at 10:23:36 AM

Wouldn't it be wise to cooperate with the policeman without argument and then sue after the fact?

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#106650: Dec 13th 2015 at 10:29:51 AM

That assumes that cooperating doesn't put either your life, your family or your livelihood in danger. Also considering that police are regularly able to get away with murder in the US I don't see why one woudl think suing them would work.

Plus why should police who are doing illegal things be treated differently? Because I'm pretty sure the standard advise when someone tries to do something illegal to your isn't "do what they say and sue them later".

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