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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#106326: Dec 9th 2015 at 2:36:20 PM

While both are, really, just blind chance in happening, the eagle wins out for my because I can more easily picture the bird doing that intentionally.

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#106327: Dec 9th 2015 at 3:49:21 PM

When you listen to the howls of outrage from the American right-wing, do remember that Jeb Bush, one of the Republican establishment candidates, said three weeks ago that he'd be prepared to take in Middle Eastern refugees... but only if they were Christians. This isn't just Trump being insane. This is him taking yet another proposal from what passes for the Republican mainstream, stripping out the dogwhistling and pretence, and daring the rest of the pack to follow him once he's brought their rhetoric to its logical conclusion.

They aren't mad because he's too racist for them. They're mad because he's saying it out loud.

What's precedent ever done for us?
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#106328: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:00:29 PM

But it's also because he's speaking too broadly. Most of them were okay with targeting the Syrian refugees, because were a relatively specific case, and used the Paris attacks to back themselves up.

Refusing entry to all Muslims, including US citizens, targets a lot of people who even they think should not be targeted, even though it is a perfectly natural extension of their thought process (which they recognize only here as past the point of being palatable to a larger audience).

In light of all this discussion, I found this video rather salient.

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#106330: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:28:48 PM

"An armed society is a polite society."

Jus-wh-ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

I'm not even that adamant on the gun control debate but holy !@#$ do these people need to get their heads examined.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#106331: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:38:16 PM

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I'm pretty lax on gun control, but those guys are MORONS.

Leviticus 19:34
FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#106332: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:47:51 PM

[up][up][up]that makes me want to get a plane ticket to Texas... bring my Cricket bat, and beat them shitless for crimes again all rational thought

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#106333: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:49:26 PM

[up][up][up]Are you gonna antagonize someone you know is armed with a deadly weapon?

Anyway, the whole thing strikes me as more than a bit silly, but the only actively stupid part is that they apparently decided to do this without the university's permission, which is Not Okay. I'm pretty meh on the "gun-free zone" concept, and they specifically said that they're going to be using fake cardboard guns rather than real weapons or realistic replicas, so I don't see that being an issue.

edited 9th Dec '15 4:49:39 PM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#106334: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:57:57 PM

An armed society is a polite society.

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#106335: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:02:53 PM

[up]I would argue that statement's correct technically.

Of course, even an armed society shouldn't leave guns laying around half-hazardly.

Leviticus 19:34
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#106336: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:07:05 PM

I'm pretty sure "mock mass shooting" is in of itself just a bad idea.

As for how to antagonise someone who is armed, say way you antagonise people who aren't, I mean I guess you could go for a society where everyone lives in fear that the guy next to them might flip and kill them, but that sounds very not fun.

We can do a comparison, let's look at the societies were everyone is arme, how polite is Somalia again?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#106337: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:32:43 PM

[up]Sure, Somalia isn't polite, but taking away guns wouldn't necessarily solve the problem per say.

Conversely, look at Iceland. Lots of guns, one of the safest places in the world.

Leviticus 19:34
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#106338: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:38:05 PM

Yes but their guns "A license is required to own or possess firearms. National government safety course required before applying for a license. Special license required to own pistols. Pistols may only be used for target shooting at a licensed range. Semi automatic firearms have caliber restrictions. Automatic firearms not permitted."

The countries that lead on guns per capita are the US, Serbia, Yeman, Cyprus, Saudi Arabia. The Swiss would be 4th but I'm not counting milita guns which are not equipped with ammunition, thus reducing their numbers significantly. Sweden is 8th actually, but again it's licensed and regulated gun ownership, something much of the US lacks.

edited 9th Dec '15 5:39:58 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#106339: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:38:29 PM

Gee, almost sounds like there's ZERO relationship between how armed a population is and how polite they are.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#106340: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:40:58 PM

The countries with low level of regulation aren't exactly polite ones, I mean it's the US, Serbia and Yeman.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#106341: Dec 9th 2015 at 9:00:11 PM

I saw a lot of people independently talking about Trump today. Did he do something more outrageous than usual?

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#106342: Dec 9th 2015 at 9:13:38 PM

Every day I see something new that Donald Trump has done to offend the people of the Internet and I think...

People are gonna get tired of hating him eventually, right? Then he'll just go back to being a forgotten politically irrelevant billionaire.

edited 9th Dec '15 9:13:45 PM by Keybreak

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#106343: Dec 9th 2015 at 9:16:37 PM

Well the problem is it's that he's not politically irrelevant. Or some random buffoon.

He's the current face of the Republican party and commands an enormous amount of power and people.

edited 9th Dec '15 9:16:54 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#106344: Dec 9th 2015 at 9:19:00 PM

I saw a lot of people independently talking about Trump today. Did he do something more outrageous than usual?
Unless there's something new I haven't heard about yet, in Monday he essentially offended the entire world by saying he wants to stop all immigration of Muslims into the United States until ISIS is dealt with.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#106345: Dec 9th 2015 at 9:20:46 PM

Was that before or after he said that children shouldn't be allowed to use the Internet?

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#106346: Dec 9th 2015 at 9:22:52 PM

Not all immigration, all travel. Including that of Muslims with US citizenship.

Next step up is either internment or straight up disenfranchisement. I'm willing to bet he'll advocate for one or the other before the start of the primaries proper.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#106347: Dec 9th 2015 at 9:25:44 PM

He also insulted the cities of London and Paris by making shit up about them to support his bigoted platform, thus the international audience are no amused.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#106348: Dec 9th 2015 at 9:29:53 PM

[up]So unamused that a petition started to ban Trump from entering the UK at all has exceeded 300,000 signatures since Monday.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#106349: Dec 9th 2015 at 9:33:47 PM

Which means that the petition must be debated in Parliament under UK law.

Oh really when?
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#106350: Dec 9th 2015 at 9:36:45 PM

No it doesn't. It means a committee must consider if it should be debates, big difference, they regularly say "no it's not going to be debated".

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

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