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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#106251: Dec 8th 2015 at 1:10:19 PM

Romney senior actually did a lot to address certain social issues. IIRC his particular focus was on affordable housing.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#106252: Dec 8th 2015 at 1:13:52 PM

Well all I am saying is that Romney's dad did not support Barry Goldwater's campaign tongue not that he was bad or anything.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#106253: Dec 8th 2015 at 1:21:44 PM

Question: what were the "moderate" Republicans of the day like? I assume anything but if you were using quotation marks...

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#106254: Dec 8th 2015 at 1:22:37 PM

@Fighteer - Depends on the policy. Sadly true vis a vis foreign affairs however.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#106255: Dec 8th 2015 at 1:23:39 PM

It seems that the Supreme Court is going to uphold the challenge of Texas citizens to the current definition of "persons" with regards to districting. Districts will now be drawn based upon the number of adult, registered voters only, meaning that our Republican-skewed system is about to get even worse.

Although automatic voter registration would solve that problem and restore it to normal, creating skews only in areas with large numbers of illegals or disproportionate amounts of children.

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#106256: Dec 8th 2015 at 1:24:11 PM

Did they have their own Trump doing much the same thing, I take it?

The 1964 election was the infamous Johnson-Goldwater election, where Goldwater fought an absolutely bitter primary campaign against other Republicans candidates, railing against the establishment and running as the true conservative. He was nominated... and promptly lost in all but 6 states during the general election, as people from everywhere turned out in droves to vote against him and anyone with an R next to their name. (As to his politics Goldwater was of the 50s school of thought, which included the idea that everything was better before FDR screwed up America with things like Social Security and workplace protections, Communists must be hunted everywhere and anything to do with segregation of the races should be left up to individual states, etc.)

This is the effect that some people are hoping Trump's presence will cause in this election, and have occasionally referred to Goldwater in this thread when referencing it.

Sadly, there was an unforeseen problem with Goldwater and the Republicans being completely stomped in that election: most of the Republicans that people voted against in droves were exactly the sort of establishment Republicans who had been thwarting Goldwater and his faction previously. Once those establishment Republicans were out of power and the electorate got complacent again and stopped turning out in such numbers for elections, Goldwater's faction crept back and completely took over the Republican party, culminating in the marriage of conservatism with Evangelical Christianity (much to the horror of Goldwater himself, ironically) and finally the election of Reagan, which utterly transformed US politics, pushed it immensely to the right, and has left most Democrats essentially running as "Republican-lite" ever since for fear of provoking another Reagan Revolution. Arguably this is only just starting to wear off now, 35 years after Reagan's election. And whether it is wearing off is very arguable.

Question: what were the "moderate" Republicans of the day like? I assume anything but if you were using quotation marks.

You'd be surprised, actually. The country wasn't nearly as politically segregated as it is today, moderate to liberal Republicans of the time were essentially FDR-lite, and that was part of why the feud between them and Goldwater's conservatives was so bitter. One of the biggest kingmakers of the time for Republicans was popular ex-president Dwight Eisenhower, who had pushed for vigorous defense of the safety net, advocated against the government being taken over by the military-industiral complex, (and, IIRC, coined that very term) covertly fought against the infamous Communist witch hunts of McCarthy, strongly favored education especially in the sciences, began the Interstate Highway System and NASA, refused to get involved with the French in Vietnam, and had top tax rates around 90%.

If he weren't such a fan of creating coups in South America and places like Iran, or threatening to use nukes to solve foreign problems, (see Korea) he'd practically be an arch-liberal by today's standards.

It was partially because of Eisenhower and other moderate-liberal Republicans like George Romney refusing to endorse or campaign for Goldwater that Goldwater's campaign sank so badly, partially because of Goldwater's big mouth and flying off the handle saying things like that he wished the East Coast would fall into the sea because of how much he hated their evil liberalism, and partially because Lyndon Johnson had no compunctions against playing very dirty and creating a fear storm about Goldwater that drove people to the pols and drove moderate Republicans away.

edited 8th Dec '15 1:55:41 PM by TheWanderer

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#106257: Dec 8th 2015 at 8:26:39 PM

"Former Vice President Dick Cheney:

"I think this whole notion that somehow we can just say no more Muslims, just ban a whole religion, goes against everything we stand for and believe in," he said on the Hugh Hewitt radio show Monday.""

Dick Cheney is now calling trump out on his shit.

I'm baaaaaaack
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#106258: Dec 8th 2015 at 10:56:32 PM

[up]We were just talking about that.

But yeah, when Cheney's calling you an asshole, you're an asshole.

Leviticus 19:34
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#106259: Dec 8th 2015 at 11:00:42 PM

But the question is...are the talking heads on Fox and The Blaze ALSO calling him out. And Talk Radio for that matter. A politician can survive the media if he has the politicians at his side and the politicians if he has the media on his side. But if both are against him, good luck.

LogoP Party Crasher from the Land of Deep Blue Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Party Crasher
#106260: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:11:01 AM

Now we just need Rick Santorum to call him out.

It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#106261: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:34:39 AM

[up]Who? Anyways, Lindsey Graham criticized Trump, but also called out Ted Cruz for not taking any stand against Trump's position (which is not surprising, since Cruz is pushing a similar proposal).

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#106262: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:36:00 AM

Rick Santorum could do a striptease on Capitol Hill wearing a suit entirely made of jello and still no one would care. Jindal and Pataki and Graham always got/get more ink than he does.

EDIT-

Joke [nja].

edited 9th Dec '15 12:36:33 AM by FFShinra

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#106263: Dec 9th 2015 at 2:23:02 AM

But if both are against him, good luck.
"They must not like he's telling it like it ~*~really~*~ is!"

tsstevens Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did from Reading tropes such as Righting Great Wrongs Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did
#106264: Dec 9th 2015 at 2:35:41 AM

Just heard about Trump's plan to ban all Muslims today and thought I had to interject: some may recall Charles Manson and how he wanted to ignite a race war that would leave him the last one standing on a mountain of ashes.

As Britain's PM said whoever the subway terrorist or knife attacker is a hero for saying they are no Muslim. ISIS are no Muslims but I would class them as akin to wanting to ignite a race or holy war, and Trump may well be the one to trigger it.

On that note if the issue is ISIS then they are no Muslims. Race, religion, that is not the issue here. If it was why kill their own race? Their own religion? If the solution is to ban everyone of a particular group why not ban all teenagers? They're the ones who are sadly being targeted. What about banning social media where ISIS recruit? You see how silly the idea is?

Currently reading up My Rule Fu Is Stronger than Yours
NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#106265: Dec 9th 2015 at 3:13:25 AM

Trump just wants to play Hitler for a while, and he'll ultimately get shut down by people saying "No, Trump, we're not going to appoint you Chancellor / President."

Then he'll run home and hug his Hitler Plushy and cry about how he didn't get to annex Baja California, which I guess is the Austria in his weird World War II fantasy.

tsstevens Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did from Reading tropes such as Righting Great Wrongs Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did
#106266: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:14:38 AM

I heard the Hitler analogy a few times, as well as JK Rowling replying to a Potter fan that he's far worse than Voldermort. I wouldn't go that far but would agree that this proposal as well as the man in general is very dangerous because he has this whole, "F you I'm Donald Trump" persona where he seemingly thinks he can do whatever he wants and as a President that will quickly make him come unstuck, and America with him.

Currently reading up My Rule Fu Is Stronger than Yours
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#106268: Dec 9th 2015 at 6:09:51 AM

What would happen if the president was barred from visiting one of our closest allies?

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#106269: Dec 9th 2015 at 6:16:56 AM

Should be fun to see.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#106270: Dec 9th 2015 at 6:22:19 AM

[up][up] If trump is elected any allies will be a thing of the past. He already regularly craps on Japan and Europe, no one else will side with the US as well.

He could probably cause WW3, in a World vs the US way quite easily...

LogoP Party Crasher from the Land of Deep Blue Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Party Crasher
#106271: Dec 9th 2015 at 6:44:30 AM

Relevant.

It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#106272: Dec 9th 2015 at 6:47:27 AM

He has as much chance of getting elected as I do.

He is, however, one of my best sources of entertainment. I work all day and the funniest things there are to read online at work are about what he says.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#106273: Dec 9th 2015 at 6:52:38 AM

Just saw a headline that Trump is warning of running as an independent if the Republican establishment tries to push him out.

Wow. Our predictions were right.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#106274: Dec 9th 2015 at 6:55:20 AM

That is as much a prediction as "guessing" water might turn to ice if placed on the freezer

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#106275: Dec 9th 2015 at 7:01:24 AM

I hope he doesn't. First off it would mean we have to endure his stupidity for longer. Second it would probably cause the Republicans to throw a fit about how they would have won otherwise.


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