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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#106051: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:07:14 AM

an important historical figure

No one denies that. The issue is having a day celebrating him.

There are many important historical figures that really don't deserve a day named after them. I'm sure you can find some other examples without even resorting to Godwin's Law.

edited 7th Dec '15 11:07:32 AM by Julep

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#106052: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:09:15 AM

Removing monuments does not mean he's ignored. Nobody is saying history books should avoid mentioning him.

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#106053: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:09:31 AM

Part of my problem with taking it away is Columbus day is kind of our defacto Italian American day, at least in the New York area. And if it's taken away I really doubt we're getting a replacement any time soon.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#106054: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:12:33 AM

Why do Italians want to be associated with Coumbus?

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#106055: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:17:58 AM

[up] Because Columbus was Genoese (born in Genoa), which is now part of Italy.

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Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#106056: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:25:02 AM

That's not really the point of it, it's more of so we have a day. He is and was well known and it was as good a thing as any to make a focus on. It was pretty much founded for this propose

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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#106057: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:27:07 AM

Push for super mario day

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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Lost in Space
#106058: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:28:50 AM

So make Italian day and leave the pillager of Hispaniola out of it.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#106059: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:29:28 AM

I'm totally down for an Italian American day.

Do you have any idea how great the food is going to be?

Oh really when?
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#106060: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:35:50 AM

@Genovese!Columbus: Of course, the Catalans claim him for themselves.

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#106061: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:38:44 AM

Mussolini day then? OK, no.

As long as there is more traditional pizzas and other dishes rather than the lackluster American pizza is, I'm all for it an Italian American day.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#106062: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:40:19 AM

Lackluster?

Thems are fighting words, boy.

Oh really when?
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#106063: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:44:23 AM

[up]I can grab slices without any of the toppings falling off and your dough is too thin!

Also, pizzas made with gas and electric ovens are heresy! Real pizzas are made on wood burning stoves

edited 7th Dec '15 11:49:23 AM by AngelusNox

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#106065: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:16:17 PM

It's my understanding that we didn't even have Columbus day until the group called The Knights of Columbus made a huge, concerted push for it. Most people didn't even care at all about it. But now it's got the weight of tradition and some people would fight to keep it, even if it's not a significant part of our heritage. (Hell, he discovered the Caribbean and South America, not really North America.)

And this year weren't some people calling it Native Peoples day or something and celebrating that instead?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#106066: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:35:36 PM

Native or Indigenous peoples day is a much better idea.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#106067: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:44:32 PM

Most Central and South American nations do nto celebrate Columbus day, but celebrate something like "Native populations day" or "Day of the races"

And yeah, North America, particularly the U.S States, were kinda not given too many fucks about until later.

edited 7th Dec '15 12:45:18 PM by Aszur

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Lost in Space
#106068: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:45:04 PM

Maybe "Explorers' Day". I don't know, anything but that marauder.

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Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#106069: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:46:47 PM

Well if they would, that'd be great, but it seems a bit unlikely that they'd ever make it a holiday. "Just make another day" is easier said than done. That's why naive groups want to change it to native people's day, they know fighting to create their own day would be much more difficult.

I'd like to see an explorers day.

edited 7th Dec '15 12:47:49 PM by Joesolo

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#106070: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:50:19 PM

Could have three holidays in one- Explorers' Day, Native Peoples' Day, and Italian American Sauce Bread Day.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#106071: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:52:25 PM

Most of the explorers were assholes. Just change it to Native Peoples day and be done with it.

Edit: Why do Italians in particular need a day? We don't give one to every group of people.

edited 7th Dec '15 12:53:18 PM by Kostya

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#106072: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:52:56 PM

First One To Cross The Landbridge Day

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#106074: Dec 7th 2015 at 1:06:05 PM

That's not a bad idea actually.


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