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FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#105976: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:15:44 AM

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edited 6th Dec '15 12:01:36 PM by FieldMarshalFry

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#105977: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:21:49 AM

[up][up]I know. I'm saying we need to be careful that the message doesn't shift from "liberals typically advocate policies based on established facts" to "liberals are right and conservatives are wrong."

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#105978: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:25:37 AM

the UK is in an even worse state because it uses and arbitrary mix of both imperial and metric.
How's that soda-but-nothing-else-measured-in-liters thing working out for you?

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#105979: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:27:54 AM

Just fine, thanks. Same thing goes for 9mm bullets.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#105980: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:45:21 AM

[up][up]It's not soda, though (soft drinks can be pop, though). And, even milk can be bought in 2l bottles. In short: you have no idea how much we use the metric system everyday (i.e. a lot). Heck, recipes have generally given up with the ounces. Knock it off.

edited 6th Dec '15 11:48:24 AM by Euodiachloris

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#105981: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:59:00 AM

@Xoopher101: There's more than one pro-intellectual right-wing ideology. I'd argue Objectivism as a good example (I'd even argue it's somewhere right of Conservatism).

I myself follow what I consider to be a more "intellectual counterpart" to conservatism. It's technically not conservatism because it's focused on the future rather than the past, but it's functionally very similar. (My view's technically progressive, but it has a vastly different opinion on what progress actually means)

Here's various opinions I have:

I do believe in human-caused global warming. The best solution I can come up with is to try popularizing nuclear power.

I support expansion of the space program.

I support both aiding the refugees, and deploying ground troops to defeat ISIS.

I'm against wealth redistribution and pro-free market.

I support religion in the public sphere.

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Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#105982: Dec 6th 2015 at 12:05:44 PM

Objectivism is not remotely intellectual, because it reduces the entire field of philosophy to Ayn Rand studies, which is a problem because Rand's understanding of philosophy would be an embarrassment for the average high-school student.

edited 6th Dec '15 12:07:17 PM by Achaemenid

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#105983: Dec 6th 2015 at 12:07:40 PM

[up]X3 Yeah the system jumps depending on size, at a restaurant you'll get a pint of something to drink (say Coke) and then go to the shop and buy a 2l bottle of whatever, be it milk, Coke or something else.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#105984: Dec 6th 2015 at 12:57:44 PM

I was referring to the US, not the UK. In the US, we use metric for literally nothing except large quantities of soda(/pop/soda-pop/coke, depending on your regional biases), which typically come in 2 liter bottles. Not even soda in smaller containers use metric — a can is 12 ounces (fluid ounces, as opposed to weight ounces, because those are both things) and a small bottle that you'd get from a vending machine is 20 ounces.

My point is that the US is a similarly arbitrary combination of metric and imperial measurements, it's just that the ratio of which is used how often is different.

edited 6th Dec '15 1:00:10 PM by NativeJovian

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#105985: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:07:47 PM

I wonder if 2 litre bottles of soft drinks are just some weird international standard that everyone has to accept, if the US accepts it then something funny is happening.

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#105986: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:21:16 PM

[up]Hmm, there were two litter bottles in the US, IIRC they were measured in Oz though.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#105987: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:23:35 PM

The US accepts it.

Of course, what really surprises me is that the republic of In Guns We Trust tolerates metric bullets.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#105988: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:24:36 PM

[up][up]No, two liter bottles are just two liter bottles over here. They might be labelled in both systems, but no one calls them "67.whatever fluid ounce bottles". IIRC, the soft drink industry changed to that standard decades ago when people thought that the US might actually be switching to metric, but they ended up being basically the only thing to switch, and they never bothered to switch back.

[up]Guns (and the associated ammunition) use both systems, depending on the round. If you see something that's just a number, then that's its caliber in inches (eg, .22, .40, .45, .50 — which are pronounced as whole numbers, as in "twenty-two" rather than "point two two"), whereas if it uses metric then you generally list both the number and the unit (eg, 9mm).

edited 6th Dec '15 1:31:16 PM by NativeJovian

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#105989: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:29:34 PM

2 liters is roughly half a gallon. It might just be an amount that's convenient to use in both systems.

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#105990: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:30:50 PM

[up][up][up] That's because they're NATO standard.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#105991: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:32:44 PM

@Silas what's wrong with anti-drone movements?

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#105992: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:36:09 PM

[up]x5 Because the bore diameter for 9mm is virtually the same as for .38 caliber (.356"), and that would cause too much confusion.

To illustrate the problem, the Medusa revolver can chamber over two dozen different types of pistol ammo, as long as they're nominally 9mm/.38 caliber.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#105993: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:38:16 PM

[up][up] It fails to understand that drones are simply remote controlled weapon delivery platforms, and not flying death robots.

From a technological stand point there is no difference between a bomb dropped by a drone and one dropped from a manned jet. Even the target differences aren't a tech thing, the USAF uses drones in a (normally) perfectly legal manner and exactly the same way that it might use a normal manned aircraft. The drone strikes we hear about on the news with civilian casualties aren't that way because drone tech is evil, they're that way because they're CIA strikes and the CIA doesn't care about killing civilians.

TL:DR The problem with drones isn't drones, it's the CIA being assholes via drones, something the anti drone movement seems to have missed.

It's the same as the anti GMO movement, they're got a useful and perfectly okay tech mixed up with a particular group of assholes who happen to use that tech to do asshole things.

edited 6th Dec '15 1:38:41 PM by Silasw

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#105994: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:39:36 PM

That's because they're NATO standard.
Most civilian ammo in the US isn't NATO standard and the rounds are not interchangeable despite being similar. For example, .22 ammo is roughly the same size as NATO 5.56mm (the NATO round was actually derived from the Remington .223 round), but trying to use a 5.56mm round in a weapon designed for a .223 round is likely to blow up your gun due to differences in powder load and the like.

That said, continued discussions on measurements should probably go to the US Culture thread, and on guns should go to the gun thread, because neither is really relevant to politics.

edited 6th Dec '15 1:41:02 PM by NativeJovian

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#105995: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:40:44 PM

I thought that's what the anti-drone movement was about- the CIA using UA Vs to do questionable stuff

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#105996: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:43:16 PM

[up] Now it's about the ones normal people can buy from shops without training or a licence, right?

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#105997: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:46:55 PM

[up][up] At times it may be, but it (or elements of it) fall into anti tech hysteria. Banning drones would do nothing (and would such for the USAF, who use their drones reasonably), the CIA would just bomb civilians with normal aircraft. Which is the key problem, there shouldn't be an anti-drone movement, there should be an anti-CIA-killing-civilians movement.

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Field Marshal of Cracked
#105998: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:57:07 PM

I remember Cracked did an article by an Army drone pilot a while back... it was disappointing to see the number of people in the comments call him a murderer and basically ignore the entire point of the article

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#105999: Dec 6th 2015 at 2:01:35 PM

Yeah, drones are great. All our problems with them stem from the fact that the CIA has practically gone rogue and is blatantly evil.

edited 6th Dec '15 2:01:48 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#106000: Dec 6th 2015 at 2:03:14 PM

[up][up][up] And apparently the USAF actually has a major shortage of UAV pilots — they're 300 crews short.

edited 6th Dec '15 2:03:28 PM by Greenmantle

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