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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#105851: Dec 3rd 2015 at 10:40:48 AM

Do you think that could happen because of this? Maybe we should panic after all.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#105852: Dec 3rd 2015 at 10:45:51 AM

Also they brought some ex police detective on saying this is why local police need military grade equipment and vehicles and went on a thing blaming Ferguson and why it's black people's fault that police couldn't respond in time to stop this.

Oh really when?
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#105854: Dec 3rd 2015 at 10:48:26 AM

From what I understand, the perpetrator was a second generation Pakistani, whose wife was in Saudi Arabia and they met online and they married there.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#105855: Dec 3rd 2015 at 10:50:11 AM

Reading the Republican anti-Trump memo posted a few pages back, I must say, I get serious "Gil Fullbright" vibes there. Don't know who he is? A satirical fake political candidate who appears in videos mocking the political process.

The part about hanging out with people and trying to do their job just gave me immediate flashbacks to one of Fullbright's videos mocking how politicians briefly hang out with people on the job just to pose.

I especially love the part where it says this: Trump has risen because voters see him as authentic, independent, direct, firm, —- and believe he can’t be bought. These are the same character traits our candidates should be advancing in 2016.

I doubt the other Republican candidates are seen as "authentic", "independent", "direct" or "firm", or that they "can't be bought". Good luck "advancing" those character traits! Indeed, the way the other candidates get pulled further to the right by Trump makes them look anything but authentic, independent or firm.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#105856: Dec 3rd 2015 at 11:00:28 AM

What's worse are the gun control and gun rights nuts currently foaming at the mouth over this incident. Which irks the hell out of me, that they couldn't even wait for the dust to settle before doing their spiel.
The problem with that logic is that it's used to shut down discussion. When is an acceptable time to discuss the issue? After some arbitrary amount of time, as determined by people who want to maintain the status quo? All they have to do is keep yelling "how dare you bring this up so soon after such a tragedy! you're completely disrespecting the victims!" and if people buy that narrative, then the issue will never be discussed — which is exactly what the people making that argument want.

[down]There's also that, yes. If you extend the "too soon" period out long enough, then it extends indefinitely as new shootings happen.

edited 3rd Dec '15 11:09:25 AM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#105857: Dec 3rd 2015 at 11:07:23 AM

[up]When it seems like there's a shooting every other week, there's really no good time to talk about the issue...

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#105858: Dec 3rd 2015 at 11:17:02 AM

Reports are that Farook was a U.S. citizen, so those "Pakistani on a visa" people need to stuff it.

Also, this case is not really a model for gun control or gun rights advocates, since the weapons were all bought legally and this man was, prior to the shooting, exercising his second amendment rights like any other red-blooded American.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#105859: Dec 3rd 2015 at 11:18:35 AM

[up] Do we know if the weapons were obtained in California or our if state, our if curiosity?

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#105860: Dec 3rd 2015 at 11:21:10 AM

"how dare you bring this up so soon after such a tragedy! you're completely disrespecting the victims!"

It's actually smart, if the number of 300 shootings a year in the USA is to be trusted.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#105861: Dec 3rd 2015 at 11:30:33 AM

Exactly. If you play the Too Soon card after every shooting, you'll have successfully put off any and all action.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#105862: Dec 3rd 2015 at 11:31:48 AM

There have been 1,052 mass shootings in the past 1,066 days. There is no bodies are cool enough time. There is literally no down time. At some point we need to just do something other than make sad faces at things.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#105863: Dec 3rd 2015 at 11:34:00 AM

[up]How many of those are the "lets shoot up a school" types and how many are crime and drug related shooting?

Inter arma enim silent leges
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#105864: Dec 3rd 2015 at 11:35:55 AM

I posted this on the terrorism thread too, but one thing that genuinely scares me is the likelihood of people connecting this to Trump's "to fight ISIS you have to take out their families" spiel from just before this happened.

edited 3rd Dec '15 11:36:17 AM by sgamer82

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#105865: Dec 3rd 2015 at 11:40:39 AM

I don't see how, unless Trump decides to exterminate all Muslims in America, concentration camp style.

edited 3rd Dec '15 11:40:48 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#105866: Dec 3rd 2015 at 11:42:47 AM

[up][up]Wouldn't that actually make them fight harder knowing their families are on the line?

Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#105868: Dec 3rd 2015 at 11:45:30 AM

[up] & [up][up] I'm not so much worried about Trump connecting the dots so much as folks on the street taking it to heart.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#105869: Dec 3rd 2015 at 12:01:48 PM

Scared people vote for extremist candidates. If radical Islamic terrorism hits its stride in this country between now and next November, President Trump is not impossible.

edited 3rd Dec '15 12:02:08 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#105870: Dec 3rd 2015 at 1:06:55 PM

@ Shinera: You now have no right to talk to me about being overly hostile and paranoid towards China and Russiatongue

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#105871: Dec 3rd 2015 at 1:07:55 PM

How...how are China and Russia into all this again?

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#105872: Dec 3rd 2015 at 1:09:02 PM

[up] He really doesn't like Pakistan, it was more of a joke related to previous threads.

Edit: If I may post about something else for a bit. How Much Should We Judge Lincoln on Race? We should certainly not put him in the same category as Wilson. Even for his time Wilson was bad, expanding segregation in the Federal government. Actions speak louder than words or views, and Lincoln without a doubt bettered the situation of blacks in this country, and may have done more if he wasn't killed, whereas Wilson made things worse.

edited 3rd Dec '15 1:19:44 PM by JackOLantern1337

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#105873: Dec 3rd 2015 at 1:49:42 PM

Just when I think Trump cannot get more Hitlerish he proves me wrong.

I've been thinking on the exact logistics needed for such a mission - the only way to decimate Daesh in such a way would be an operation totally disregarding the people held in Daesh's major cities and bombing all the population centers of the ISIS group, as well as corresponding surrounding areas. The hunter killer units could be used to hunt down and kill businessmen doing business with and for Daesh.

The campaign would need to be fast and relatively unannounced.

The attack would need to be complimented by a cyber strike aimed at disrupting the group's Wi Fi and internet access, preventing fast coordination.

I do not really care for such policies myself. But if such a thing was to be done, this is basically how it would happen at the most ruthless and without care for lives.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#105874: Dec 3rd 2015 at 2:01:34 PM

Well their are terrorists who's families his supporters can kill right now. Hopefully the feds took them into custody for questioning and protection.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#105875: Dec 3rd 2015 at 2:09:38 PM

[up][up] Is that in response to the "Take out their families" thing or something else?


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