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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#105751: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:42:13 PM

It was at a developmental disability center, so does it matter what the party was fucking about? (Probably a Christmas party, since it's December.) They targeted a place that was filled with the vulnerable and people whose jobs it is to help the vulnerable. So I'm answering my own question and saying it fucking DOESN'T matter what the party was about and it's a stupid question to ask.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#105752: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:42:39 PM

[up]The obvious answer is: Obamacare.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#105753: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:42:47 PM

The nature of the target makes me think the motive was personal. ISIS/their ilk tend to go for more crowded targets to maximize casualties and don't have escape plans. And this isn't your typical far-right target either.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#105754: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:43:29 PM

[up]x4 Unless one of them had a score to settle or they were making a point.

edited 2nd Dec '15 6:44:07 PM by Skycobra51

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#105755: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:44:12 PM

Department of Recreation. It sounds like some sort of survivalist was at the party and got pissed off, went home to get their arsenal and went back.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#105756: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:47:48 PM

Still begs the question of how they got so far in the first place. Did no one honestly not notice several armed men get out of a vehicle and enter the building? Its not something you easily miss.

Just sayin'

edited 2nd Dec '15 6:48:37 PM by Skycobra51

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#105757: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:59:30 PM

They appear to have planned the attack, including their entry route, their escape route, the amount of time they could spend there before police arrived, and they even placed an apparent IED near the entry to hinder a law enforcement response. Anyway, what could an institution like that possibly keep on hand to stop two combat-armed people?

edited 2nd Dec '15 7:12:07 PM by Fighteer

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#105758: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:07:07 PM

It almost sounds like the perpetrators were familiar with the building. So, former employees or perhaps a patient, or family of a patient then.

[up]Out of curiosity, don't most state and federal buildings have security guards? or at the very least rent-a-cops?

edited 2nd Dec '15 7:16:16 PM by Skycobra51

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#105759: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:15:18 PM

My guess is a premeditated case of going postal, or otherwise something more personal. We'll have to wait and see.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#105760: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:20:19 PM

Texas is suing the federal government in order to halt a relocation of Syrian refugees to Dallas.

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Lost in Space
#105761: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:23:48 PM

[up] A suit that Texas will lose because the Supreme Court has already ruled indisputably on Federal authority over immigration.

@Skycobra: I don't know about federal buildings, but this is a private treatment facility that rents its conference rooms out for parties and conferences and stuff. There aren't that many private buildings that have security guards present, and certainly not armed ones. And anyway, what's a lone rent-a-cop going to do against military antipersonnel weaponry? Die honorably?

edited 2nd Dec '15 8:14:48 PM by Fighteer

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probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#105762: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:51:48 PM

In order to ease my temper with gun fanatics, am just going to assume that they're compensating for sumthing.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#105763: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:53:03 PM

@Fighteer: Being on a terror "watchlist" shouldn't remove any of your rights, period - that's not Second Amendment, that's the Fifth Amendment, which I personally rather support.

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Lost in Space
#105764: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:07:42 PM

Suffice it to say that I don't agree. There are many reasons why one might be deprived of the right to own a gun, and not all of them require a felony conviction.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#105765: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:10:44 PM

Being on a watchlist can keep you from flying. Why shouldn't it keep you from buying a gun?

Self-devil's-advocate: watchlists are basically secret and it can be nigh-impossible for someone added unjustly or accidentally to get themselves removed. If that sort of thing is going to have more of an effect than "the FBI keeps tabs on you", then there needs to be a means for people to address it via the justice system.

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#105766: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:12:12 PM

[up]Adapting this to my point, if you want to criticize the constitutionality of something, it should be the watchlists themselves, not the denial of rights on the basis thereof.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#105767: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:19:19 PM

If you fail a background check are you told why? If not then why should it matter if it's because you're on a watchlist?

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#105768: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:24:14 PM

No, most of the time you are not told why you're on the watchlist. There are babies on the watchlist because their names are kinda sorta similar to other people if you squint. It's terribly implemented.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#105769: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:26:28 PM

I'm not asking if you're told that you're on the watchlist. I'm asking if they tell you why you failed a background check. If not then why should it matter if you fail due to being on the watchlist?

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#105770: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:26:34 PM

[up][up]Agreed. Regardless, the police, as of just now, seem to have not released any new information about the identities of the suspects or their motives, so we are left with pure speculation. The police wouldn't even tell us their race, presumably to ward off a witch hunt.

I'm going to guess that we'll have those details some time tomorrow, once all the preliminary investigative work comes in. If we don't, it can only be because the FBI is pursuing hot leads towards more suspects and doesn't want to tip anyone off.

edited 2nd Dec '15 8:29:52 PM by Fighteer

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#105771: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:10:00 PM

Double Post: We have the name of one of the suspects, and it's a name we had heard earlier: Syed Farook, a county health inspector. Farook is apparently the individual who abruptly left the party, and the home raided by police, where the chase began that ended in the deaths of two suspects, is affiliated with him.

It has not been revealed at this moment if Farook was one of the shooters, nor if he is the dead male suspect.

Please, please, let this not set off a witch hunt against anyone with a vaguely Arabic name.

edited 2nd Dec '15 9:15:25 PM by Fighteer

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#105772: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:15:32 PM

You know it will

Oh really when?
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#105773: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:16:36 PM

if you want to criticize the constitutionality of something, it should be the watchlists themselves, not the denial of rights on the basis thereof.

Thing is the denial of rights is what makes them doggy. A list of people the police are keeping an eye on (even if they've yet to commit any crimes) is fine, a list of people who are denied certain rights (like flying) even if they've yet to commit any crimes however is very questionable.

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Lost in Space
#105774: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:19:37 PM

Hmm, valid point. Still, I don't regard firearm ownership as a fundamental right, the abridgment of which can create a Constitutional issue. And yes, I know that the Supreme Court disagrees. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

edited 2nd Dec '15 9:22:28 PM by Fighteer

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#105775: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:26:36 PM

Donald Trump is apparently declaring that CNN will have to pay him 5 million dollars or else he won't show up at the GOP debate.

To which I respond: Hooray!

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