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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#105726: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:25:23 PM

Hey, I'm just passing the news along; I didn't say I thought it all that plausible.

At least it confirms what was going on in that conference room. But who targets a Christmas party anyway?

[down] I'd assuming appalling (possibly an auto-correct thing).

edited 2nd Dec '15 5:27:23 PM by TotemicHero

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#105727: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:26:39 PM

Jack, did you mean appealing or appalling?

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#105728: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:28:43 PM

Pretty sure he meant appalling, but he does need to watch his spelling a bit.

At this point it doesn't seem like we'll get anything really substantial. Did they manage to catch one of the guys? My mom seems to think one shooter survived and got taken to the hospital while I wasn't watching the news.

[up][up]That's kind of like asking who gets military grade hardware and shoots up a place, man. If there was a party going on the timing might have just been because they knew people were going to be there, or a coincidence and the place was a target regardless.

edited 2nd Dec '15 5:29:50 PM by AceofSpades

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#105729: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:33:36 PM

I'm just waiting for Obama to go completely ballistic after one of these shootings. The man is clearly livid that this keeps happening and he can't get Congress to do a damn thing about it beyond "fuck refugees".

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#105730: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:36:03 PM

[up] What do refugees have to do with the shootings that have been going on in the country? They started long before the Syrian civl war.

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LogoP Party Crasher from the Land of Deep Blue Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Party Crasher
#105731: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:38:23 PM

Whether he goes ballistic or not is irrelevant. Those are just strong words. What can he actually do about this ongoing wave of violence?

It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#105732: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:39:48 PM

Pretty much nothing, he said it himself. If Congress isn't willing to challenge the NRA over common sense reforms that a super majority of the general public support, in response to 20 toddlers being massacred in their school, nothing will push them.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#105733: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:39:53 PM

The police have just held a press conference. There were two suspects killed by police after they fled a home that they were apparently holed up in. It was one male and one female. Husband/wife team?

Edit: A third suspect was seen leaving the scene and was detained.

edited 2nd Dec '15 5:42:15 PM by Fighteer

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#105734: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:40:15 PM

"This just in, President Obama has apparently shot every Republican in the Capitol Building. 'Fucking finally', says every sane member of the public."

Okay, this is in bad taste (especially right now). Sorry.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#105735: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:41:01 PM

[up][up][up][up] Not much. Many Americans view things like this as "the price of Freedom." But last time something like 90 percent of people polled supported him, and he still couldn't get his plan past Congress. The NRA may have weakened between now and then though. Plus it is an election year. Anyone want to bet Clinton will relay hammer Sanders home on guns after this.

edited 2nd Dec '15 5:41:35 PM by JackOLantern1337

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#105736: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:48:18 PM

Well, I don't know about hammer but with this and the Colorado shooting the gun issue is definitely coming up in the next debate. I don't see how it can't.

I just hope this isn't the beginning of a wave of such shootings. Two such incidents this close together is troubling, to say the least.

LogoP Party Crasher from the Land of Deep Blue Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Party Crasher
#105737: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:49:28 PM

Why is NRA even legal? With their unchanging stance & lobbying, they should be considered at least an abettor to what's going on right now.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#105738: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:50:07 PM

2nd Amendment and a lot of extremely toxic cultural issues.

Oh really when?
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Lost in Space
#105739: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:52:53 PM

Hmm. We are now hearing that the person who left the party in that office may have been the one who came back with an accomplice and attacked it. Two military-style assault rifles and two pistols were recovered.

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#105740: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:55:38 PM

Which feeds into the whole "argument at the party started it" theory, so...why did they have so many guns and bombs stockpiled then? O_O

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#105741: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:58:16 PM

Officers are now at a location that may be the home of one of the suspects. [up] Frankly, it would not be out of character for some militia jackhole to be at a party, get pissed off at something, and come back to shoot it up.

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LogoP Party Crasher from the Land of Deep Blue Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Party Crasher
#105742: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:59:13 PM

x4 [up] Well, constitutions get modified all the time. If here in Europe we've managed to outlaw and/or lock-up a few groups of far-right and far-left extremists, then American can certainly detain a bunch of toxic gun nuts.

[up] While wearing a bullerproof vest? Why would they see a need for that?

edited 2nd Dec '15 6:01:10 PM by LogoP

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#105743: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:00:04 PM

[up][up][up]They might be the types that just had them around.

It must have been a hell of an argument though unless they were planning on doing this anyway.

edited 2nd Dec '15 6:00:18 PM by Kostya

TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#105744: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:01:16 PM

[up][up][up] I'm still waiting for that "extreme skepticism" you supposedly had to kick back in. tongue

Seriously, I would like to know who these people are, and why they weren't on a FBI watchlist or something.

edited 2nd Dec '15 6:02:10 PM by TotemicHero

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#105745: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:04:25 PM

My thought - it was preplanned, but the one at the party was there to make sure everyone was sufficiently distracted before calling in the other two.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#105746: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:07:55 PM

CNN obtained a recording of the police radio chatter during the street battle. It's almost surreal. The police immediately knew they had taken out two suspects and thought that someone had fled the scene. We've been hearing that the third person may not actually be involved and could have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time.

edited 2nd Dec '15 6:30:09 PM by Fighteer

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#105747: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:26:07 PM

With the suspects dead/detained the innevitable politicizing has begun.

edited 2nd Dec '15 6:26:46 PM by Skycobra51

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#105748: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:31:19 PM

Totemic Hero: Funny thing: being on a terror watchlist doesn't prevent you from buying guns. Thanks, NRA!

Anyway, it's obvious that their tactics were too deliberate to have been a spur-of-the moment revenge thing, but they did target this party specifically, so they must have been casing it.

edited 2nd Dec '15 6:32:25 PM by Fighteer

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#105749: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:37:26 PM

Well what was the party about?

[up]x5 Assuming they're on a watch list, and they didn't get the weapons through illegal means.

edited 2nd Dec '15 6:40:02 PM by Skycobra51

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Lost in Space
#105750: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:40:30 PM

It was a holiday party for the local Department of Health, or some such. That's part of what makes this so bizarre: there is no obvious reason for it to have been selected for violence.

edited 2nd Dec '15 6:40:38 PM by Fighteer

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