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#105626: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:02:27 AM

I don't want to give Fox News the validation of clicking on a link to any of their articles, but wow. Trump is quadrupling down on the jingoism, isn't he?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#105627: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:06:02 AM

[up] One reason I stated it was Fox News up front.

At this point, while things like the private email bit makes me uneasy, no amount of scandal will convince me Hillary Clinton is the worse choice if Trump ends up being the alternative.

edited 2nd Dec '15 11:07:37 AM by sgamer82

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#105628: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:08:58 AM

I read that article about the "999 classified emails" on Clinton's server, and it seemed to me that the policy under which they would be considered such is highly subjective, basically being left up to the State Department to decide. There's just no fire beneath that smoke.

edited 2nd Dec '15 11:09:17 AM by Fighteer

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#105629: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:12:37 AM

Just the fact she was doing it in the first place, classified or no, is what makes me uneasy. And I think you'll agree that "everyone did it" is no excuse.

Still, it's very minor compared to collateral damage Trump.

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#105630: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:16:51 AM

I'm sure Obama peed in the shower a time or two. That doesn't disqualify him to be President. And Bubba Bill lied about the Lewinsky affair. In a perfect world, we could afford to choose a candidate with zero flaws. This isn't that world.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#105631: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:20:28 AM

Which is why I regard it as minor, despite the unease. Especially if Trump gets the nomination.

They said, I saw on CNN that Cruz had eeked up into 2nd.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#105632: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:26:11 AM

I'd rather apply the same standard to both parties than dismiss an imperfection out of hand.

Also, the Lewinski affair is only notable in that he lied to Congress, not in the affair itself (beyond moral issues). That's not nothing. Same with the emails. The emails themselves are irrelevant, but going outside accepted procedure is an issue. Downplaying it because she's a democrat is as silly as playing it up like another Watergate because she's a democrat.

If she did wrong, it needs investigating, leave the feds to do their job and don't beat the public over the head with it until it's over.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#105633: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:38:16 AM

[up] Exactly. I don't like the whole thing on principle, but she still remains the single most competent seeming candidate in the bunch

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#105634: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:45:42 AM

The jist of it seems to be that there wasn't a regularly enforced procedure that required more than what she was doing at the time. And the Republicans were probably just as equally guilty of doing whatever this was, they just decided to "beat the public over the head with it" while not actually thinking she did anything that was too terribly wrong. Mostly because the Benghazi thing couldn't stick.

[up]Not exactly hard, considering the Dems this year haven't had a dozen or more candidates all trying to outcrazy each other. The Republicans managed to set the bar pretty low this time.

Anyway, on the Trump thing, gonna say he's again not going to lose popularity simply because of who he's been appealing to. Compassion and common sense are lacking in that demographic. And what part of any of our war over there has been politically correct? Jesus, a morbid sense of curiosity wants to ask him what, exactly, that phrase is supposed to mean.

edited 2nd Dec '15 11:46:59 AM by AceofSpades

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#105635: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:46:04 AM

[up][up]Agreed. Let the Feds do their work investigating the issue, and if it turns out that something illegal and prosecutable was done, deal with it at that time.

[up] I suspect that Trump is implying, if not outright stating, that we should wage a terrorism campaign against the terrorists: make it too personally costly for them to take up the jihad by killing their women and children. That this betrays a catastrophic misunderstanding of their motivations should be obvious, but is pretty much water under the bridge for Trump.

edited 2nd Dec '15 11:51:59 AM by Fighteer

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#105636: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:59:48 AM

[up][up]Yeah. That and that Clinton and Sanders seem to have made a tacit agreement not to go that way and to campaign like gentlemen (gender-neutral gentlemen, in case I have to say it). Which has kept them mostly out of the news in a way that's very good for Clinton and, if Sanders somehow does get Presidential on us and win the primary, good for Sanders.

edited 2nd Dec '15 12:00:19 PM by Ramidel

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A nice butterfly
#105637: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:59:49 AM

I just read something baout another shooting in the west coast of the U.S. Is Was it a news about that crazy anti abortion guy, or is it something new once again?

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#105638: Dec 2nd 2015 at 12:00:31 PM

I guess Trump really wanted to add "ISIS Recruiter" to his resume. Cause that's about the only end result of his policy I can see.

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#105640: Dec 2nd 2015 at 12:06:08 PM

All I know is it's in California and we've already got at least 20 victims and possibly 3 gunmen in armor.

Oh really when?
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#105641: Dec 2nd 2015 at 12:06:29 PM

Ah, a new one. No concrete reports just yet, other than 2-3 shooters possibly with body armor attacking an unspecified medical facility in California. A few news sites are reporting 20+ casualties. sad

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#105642: Dec 2nd 2015 at 12:09:06 PM

Just read it on CNN so I was wondering what was up. I did not know it was about a medical facility at all though.

Shit is fucked up

Again

edited 2nd Dec '15 12:09:39 PM by Aszur

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#105643: Dec 2nd 2015 at 12:14:44 PM

Time to call in National Guard, methinks. Or at least use some of the ex-Army kit those Police Departments have now...

edited 2nd Dec '15 12:14:54 PM by Greenmantle

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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#105644: Dec 2nd 2015 at 12:18:38 PM

ABC claims 12 dead so far.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#105645: Dec 2nd 2015 at 12:41:51 PM

Some info on the shooting

Possibly an IED involved.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#105646: Dec 2nd 2015 at 12:42:37 PM

It's a social services building.

Oh really when?
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#105647: Dec 2nd 2015 at 12:43:00 PM

Thing is with the emails is that she didn't really go outside the accepted procedure if by accepted procedure you mean "what most people actually do." What she didn't do is use badly implemented tech. It's a manufactured scandal. Not one with real substance. The majority of the congress critters dissing her about it have turned out to be doing the same thing.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#105648: Dec 2nd 2015 at 12:44:14 PM

I heard one of the shooter's name is Farook Sayed, but I can't confirm.

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#105649: Dec 2nd 2015 at 12:47:38 PM

[up]None of the shooters have been captured yet, as far as I know.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#105650: Dec 2nd 2015 at 12:48:59 PM

All the reputable news sources I can find say they haven't identified a shooter yet. Including the ongoing news coverage.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

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