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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#105401: Nov 26th 2015 at 12:05:54 PM

Or you could take "Pdt" and have it mean "Pathetic Donald Trump". That would be a great campaign slogan for his opponents in the presidency run.

edited 26th Nov '15 12:06:10 PM by Julep

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#105402: Nov 26th 2015 at 12:17:24 PM

Gimme links to this Trump being an assholeto handicapped people.

Do not just tease me. Let me bathe in the waters of schadenfraude at watching him dig his own grave.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#105403: Nov 26th 2015 at 12:19:35 PM

He's not digging his own grave is the problem, he's just further radicalizing Republicans.

He was never going to win but he keeps making things worse and worse with plans to track Muslims in databases and to attack BLM protesters.

Oh really when?
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#105404: Nov 26th 2015 at 12:20:28 PM

To be fair, near as I can tell, his "database of Muslims" seems to actually just be a "database of Syrian refuges."

Or at least, he backpedaled to that point.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#105405: Nov 26th 2015 at 12:30:20 PM

-walks in and sees Trump as point of conversation- Hey what about this.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#105407: Nov 26th 2015 at 12:49:25 PM

As I linked before: polls right now are actually more predictable if you basically flip them around. The higher they were in the beggining, the less likely they will end up elected. Besides, "political science" is, scientifically, closely related to "guessing".

You could throw a bridal bouquet at the candidates and you will get a similar result.

I would go with statistics and history before succumbing to wanna be ideals of, for example "I think this year is different because people seem, like, really united!". A similar comment to that is "I think my Captain Crunch was really wanting me to eat it, because I saw a single pair of the crunchies melded together and I was like Wow! You REALLY want to get together into my stomach, huh?"

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#105408: Nov 26th 2015 at 12:53:35 PM

I'm half-convinced that Trump is playing an elaborate joke. He's mocking the Republican base by going out of his way to be an insulting, disrespectful ass to as many people as possible, in order to prove just how low the standards of Republican voters are. That must be it. That has to it.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#105409: Nov 26th 2015 at 12:55:04 PM

Nah. He has been like that always.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#105410: Nov 26th 2015 at 1:09:53 PM

Comedian Bill Maher once said: "I'm not convinced that Trump is even a real person. He's a pop-culture reference from the Eighties, like J.R. Ewing."

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#105411: Nov 26th 2015 at 1:12:38 PM

Hey now, don't bring political scientists into this, we don't think Trump has a chance either.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#105412: Nov 26th 2015 at 1:25:31 PM

The polls could potentially be more predictive this time around just due to the higher level of engagement.

There are other factors involved but they were described in the linked article above.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#105413: Nov 26th 2015 at 1:32:44 PM

The reason for Trump's strength is that, by and large, Republican primary voters are not very intelligent or strategic. Part of the reason the establishment wants Trump to get the hell out of the way is because they know that Trump is poison to the general election voters. He'd get a massive "Aw, HELL no!" from everyone who is not already firmly in the Republican camp. Hence their desire for Walker?...oops, no...Bush?...doesn't look it...Rubio? Someone like Romney from 2012, who had a fair amount of crossover appeal to Democrats as a high-quality Governor of Massachusetts, before he squandered all of that to win the base and made it clear what an empty suit he was.

Instead, Hillary will crush Trump, and honestly, I don't see Sanders as being much weaker than Hillary if he makes it to the general, assuming he can get his game on and get out of that damned economic ivory tower. I don't think that there's a lot of people who actually dislike Sanders outside of those who're already in the Republican camp.

edited 26th Nov '15 1:33:23 PM by Ramidel

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#105414: Nov 26th 2015 at 1:33:35 PM

Is there a higher level of engagement?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#105415: Nov 26th 2015 at 1:46:29 PM

Also, much of Trump's success (and Carson's, to an even greater degree) is that he's arguing against people who can't afford to overtly contradict him. So far, they've been able to make a lot of outrageous and easily debunked broad statements and crazy suggestions, and avoided being called out because none of the other Republican candidates dare to say something that can potentially make them seem pro-immigration, pro-gun control or anti-church, ect. ect. Put either of them in a debate with someone who's well organized and actively invested in contradicting them, and they'll get utterly humiliated.

edited 26th Nov '15 1:46:43 PM by DrDougsh

LogoP Party Crasher from the Land of Deep Blue Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Party Crasher
#105416: Nov 26th 2015 at 1:58:40 PM

To be honest, I don't know why Trump coming out as pro-torture would elict such a shock from people. Cheney, who was the VP of the United States for 4 years, openly admitted that he sees nothing wrong with it and he'd do it again, if need be.

And it's not like he was from a different party.

It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#105417: Nov 26th 2015 at 2:10:55 PM

I think it was the "well, even if it doesn't work, you know they probably deserve it" comment that came off as too vindictive for the less bloodthirsty people. After all, aren't we supposed to be the civilized ones?

Other Republicans make the effort of at least looking like they think it's a regrettable but necessary evil, because "it just works."

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#105418: Nov 26th 2015 at 2:12:38 PM

We are civilized. But you're assuming they consider them to be human beings.

They don't.

Oh really when?
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#105419: Nov 26th 2015 at 2:14:23 PM

[up] I wonder if they even consider themselves (and people like themselves and/or their target voters) human beings?

edited 26th Nov '15 2:14:53 PM by Greenmantle

Keep Rolling On
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#105420: Nov 26th 2015 at 2:15:30 PM

They tend to be white people with the correct political views so yes.

Oh really when?
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#105421: Nov 26th 2015 at 2:16:35 PM

I wouldn't be sure. In the right circumstances...

Keep Rolling On
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#105422: Nov 26th 2015 at 2:17:17 PM

Cheney has also said that he doesn't care if torture doesn't work, he just likes having people tortured.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#105423: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:42:16 PM

>>> I don't see Sanders as being much weaker than Hillary if he makes it to the general, assuming he can get his game on and get out of that damned economic ivory tower.

Just think of Sanders as a civ player who has made economy is primary strat. tongue

I avoided Sanders vs BLM , because though I pretty much agree with Sanders ala it's the economy, stupid, it's also pretty damn tough to explain why it all boils down to haves vs have nots.

But, I recently got a crash course on just how fucked up the US economy is, so right now - I'm favoring Sanders more than Hillary. I still like Hillary at lot, but atm - I think Sanders would be more pigheaded about really fixing the US economy.

I feel sad that he can't fix Philippines economy.

Plants are aliens, and fungi are nanomachines.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#105424: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:52:10 PM

Just think of Sanders as a civ player who has made economy is primary strat. tongue

To continue that analogy, though, a player who focuses on economy and science still needs to understand the combat game and to have at least enough military forces available to deter invasion, and needs to be able to keep an eye on the diplomacy screen in case their enemies start buddying up.

Sanders needs to be able to show the voters that he can handle the President's military and foreign policy duties, as well as pushing his economic agenda. Hence, "getting out of his ivory tower."

...then again, Hillary has been going out of her way to piss off leftists lately by attacking Sanders' support for single-payer healthcare.

edited 26th Nov '15 7:54:16 PM by Ramidel

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