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Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#105226: Nov 22nd 2015 at 11:59:12 AM

[up][up] What about members of REALLY shitty administrations? Did they ever get a chance at running for office?

edited 22nd Nov '15 11:59:38 AM by Luminosity

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#105227: Nov 22nd 2015 at 12:11:49 PM

That would depend on your benchmark for shittiness.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#105228: Nov 22nd 2015 at 12:28:39 PM

Who knows how deeply she's tied into the whole "enhanced interrogation" mess. Lady could well be a war criminal.

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#105229: Nov 22nd 2015 at 12:41:43 PM

[up][up] Ok, was there an unquestiobaly bad president other than Bush?

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#105230: Nov 22nd 2015 at 12:46:16 PM

Looking at it now, the vice president of James Buchanan (who's widely regarded as the absolute worst president of the US) ran against Abraham Lincoln in 1860.

In terms of bad presidents, I think Buchanan, Franklin Pierce, John Tyler, Andrew Johnson, Warren Harding and Nixon are usually considered the bottom rung.

edited 22nd Nov '15 12:49:49 PM by DrDougsh

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#105231: Nov 22nd 2015 at 12:47:00 PM

[up][up], [up] William Henry Harrison, who exists in a unique category of his own.

edited 22nd Nov '15 12:51:29 PM by Greenmantle

Keep Rolling On
PrinceConor I will finish what you started. from Earth Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
I will finish what you started.
#105232: Nov 22nd 2015 at 1:04:25 PM

So, Sen. Vitter lost in LA last night. Any thoughts? How liberal will Gov.-elect Edwards be? My opinion is, not overly. He's most likely a conservative Dem who got it easy by getting Vitter as an opponent. Yeah he'll keep Obamacare which is good make no mistake, but between Hillary and Sanders where does he fall? It's Louisiana.

I think the worst presidents are Buchanan and Tyler. Buchanan did nothing to stop the War from coming and Tyler was a traitor who apparently held no respect for the office he once held.

edited 22nd Nov '15 1:06:47 PM by PrinceConor

anyone know why asscaps has that particular name?
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#105233: Nov 22nd 2015 at 1:12:50 PM

[up] It's better than the Republicans.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
PrinceConor I will finish what you started. from Earth Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
I will finish what you started.
#105234: Nov 22nd 2015 at 1:17:34 PM

Of course, especially with Vitter. I was afraid all the polls would be wrong again, like with Kentucky. The R's are notorious for this. But perhaps this time they let Vitter lose cuz they were tired of him.

anyone know why asscaps has that particular name?
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#105235: Nov 22nd 2015 at 1:20:49 PM

Also because they HATED Jindal's administration (Obama had a higher approval rating in the state than Jindal did), so as long as Edwards wasn't too liberal, he could get a lot of crossover voters.

Which is unfortunate, but states like LA are lost causes for progressive dems, at least for the near future. There are better red states where running to the left could yield dividends, like Georgia, North Carolina, even Texas with its large urban and minority populations. Katrina kind of screwed the pooch on the Dems in Louisiana, their one big city became that much less significant.

edited 22nd Nov '15 1:21:37 PM by Ogodei

PrinceConor I will finish what you started. from Earth Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
I will finish what you started.
#105236: Nov 22nd 2015 at 1:24:40 PM

Texas is one where I'm even more hesitant than before. That 'urban and minority population' didn't save the HRO in Houston. They elected Mayor Parker then they threw out the one ordinance many people actually need. I'm still angry about that.

anyone know why asscaps has that particular name?
tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#105237: Nov 22nd 2015 at 1:33:35 PM

@#105222 and 105223: I've heard the rumors that she was his mistress, probably pushed by people who 't imagine an attractive woman getting into a position of power without sleeping her way there. I've also heard rumors that she's a lesbian

Trump delenda est
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#105238: Nov 22nd 2015 at 7:18:50 PM

Re: Condy Rice, I've heard the same thing, and only ever from the kind of guy I would classify as "horribly sexist and/or racist."

Someone at work was talking about our espionage programs, and why we don't (supposedly) spy on the British Commonwealth, something that I hadn't heard of before (and find hard to believe).

It was born out of American and British intelligence collaboration in World War II, a long-private club nicknamed the “Five Eyes.” The members are five English-speaking countries who share virtually all intelligence — and pledge not to practice their craft on one another. A former top U.S. counter-terrorism official called it “the inner circle of our very closest allies, who don’t need to spy on each other.”

This is the club that German chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande say they want to join — or at least, win a similar “no-spying” pact with the U.S. themselves.

It all began with a secret 7-page agreement struck in 1946 between the U.S. and the U.K., the “British-US Communication Agreement,” later renamed UKUSA. At first their focus was the Soviet Union and its Eastern European satellites. But after Canada joined in 1948, and Australia and New Zealand in 1956, the “Five Eyes” was born, and it had global reach. They pledged to share intelligence — especially the results of electronic surveillance of communications — and not to conduct such surveillance on each other. Whiffs of the club’s existence appeared occasionally in the press, but it wasn’t officially acknowledged and declassified until 2010, when Britain’s General Communications Headquarters, or GCHQ, released some of the founding documents. The benefits of membership are immense, say intelligence experts. While the U.S. has worldwide satellite surveillance abilities, the club benefits from each member’s regional specialty, like Australia and New Zealand’s in the Far East. “We practice intelligence burden sharing,” said one former U.S. official. “We can say, ‘that’s hard for us cover, so can you?'” The ease and rapidity of information-sharing among the five “makes it quicker to connect the dots,” said another intelligence veteran. “You can’t underestimate the importance of the common language, legal system and culture,” said another. “Above all, there is total trust.”

That trust extends to not tapping the phones of one another’s leaders and officials. That’s rooted in the belief that when their leaders talk to one another, they do so in full candor. “There is very little we need to know about these countries and their leadership’s views that the leaders wouldn’t tell us themselves, with all honesty,” said a retired official familiar with the program.

A murkier question is whether they’ve also agreed never to spy on each other’s citizens. U.S. officials say that’s part of the deal. Yet there have been reports in the British press — amplified most recently by former NSA contractor and leaker Edward Snowden — that that’s not the case, that the Five Eyes spy on one another’s citizens and share the information to get around laws preventing agencies from spying on their own citizens. Former CIA deputy director John Mc Laughlin insisted to me that this isn’t so. “I’ve never heard of that,” he said. “You would think I would know if that were the case.”

But can we say for sure that unlike Merkel, British Prime Minister David Cameron doesn’t have to worry that his cell phone is bugged? Said a longtime spymaster, “Not by us.”

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#105239: Nov 22nd 2015 at 7:23:25 PM

[up]That should be a Polandball.

Huh, guess it is. http://tinyurl.com/os7zeux

edited 22nd Nov '15 7:26:06 PM by Artificius

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#105240: Nov 23rd 2015 at 2:12:42 AM

[up][up] It's not that illogical an idea, it would be a waste of a lot of money for five of us to spy on each other, we still keep things secret obviously but intelligence materials is open for all five countries unless labelled otherwise, the CIA guy in London attends meeting of the British intelligence community.

I don't for a moment belive it's held to out of any moral desire to be nice to each other, but it's a very practical agreement that lets us all focus our attention elsewhere.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#105241: Nov 23rd 2015 at 8:41:46 AM

Crossposting because I'm mad enough about it...

So the back door buzzes, I go to answer it, and suddenly my backroom is flooded with all these men, more than is needed for delivering three small boxes of books, and they taking pictures of me and my desk, and the guy who gives me the little electronic thing to sign shakes my hand hard and asks me my last name.

It isn't until they leave that my boss tells me that it was Mike Conaway, our U.S. representative. And she says she wonders if them taking pictures of us means that they think we're on their side.

I don't even know this guy and he barges into my workplace snapping photos of me and my stuff, and it is aggravating.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#105243: Nov 23rd 2015 at 8:43:26 AM

Did they ask if there were any babies around to kiss?

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#105244: Nov 23rd 2015 at 8:45:39 AM

And I was wondering if it was even legal for a congressman to hijack the UPS and come bursting into the back of the library to take pictures...

But my boss said that apparently he was nicer than Rick Perry was when he came into the library and asked her if she could get him a cup of coffee. ;p

It's like...do politicians think they can just go anywhere and ask for anything?

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#105245: Nov 23rd 2015 at 8:46:30 AM

Yes.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#105246: Nov 23rd 2015 at 8:47:35 AM

Well that'll drop my vote for him.

If I see my picture anywhere on his website soon I am gonna do something spiteful. >_>

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#105247: Nov 23rd 2015 at 8:55:27 AM

It's like...do politicians think they can just go anywhere and ask for anything?

Yes. Just be even more aware of the local politicians.

Keep Rolling On
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#105248: Nov 23rd 2015 at 8:57:17 AM

Just reassure me: You mentioned a library and a boss, so it was a workplace invasion rather than a home one?

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#105249: Nov 23rd 2015 at 9:01:41 AM

Yes. But the only people who are supposed to come in the back are employees, deliverymen, and people using the community room.

His entourage of guys in UPS uniforms were guys I'd never seen before. >_>

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#105250: Nov 23rd 2015 at 9:08:28 AM

Don't want to sound paranoid but I heard something about large scale purchases of UPS uniforms over the Web recently. It was mostly a "don't open the door unless they're driving a UPS truck" sort of thing but I'd make sure nothings been screwed with if I were you

I'm pretty sure it was a hoax but this is weird timing.

edited 23rd Nov '15 9:09:52 AM by Joesolo

I'm baaaaaaack

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