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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#105126: Nov 18th 2015 at 3:04:28 PM

-wrong thread-

edited 18th Nov '15 3:05:02 PM by carbon-mantis

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#105127: Nov 18th 2015 at 4:11:09 PM

It's almost as if ISIS knows all that and want it to happen, as if they're counting of radicalising rejected refuges, as if they might have deliberately planted passports so that "The West" would react this way..
Yeah. A thought I had following the attack is that people like that make it hard to remember that not all Muslims are of the terrorist variety, which is all the more reason to do so for the reasons stated there: that forgetting that may be what ISIS wants.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#105128: Nov 19th 2015 at 5:12:46 AM

The Democrats ISIS dilema Some consider Bernie to be "dangerously Hawkish" [lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol]

The Illiberal demands of the Amherst "Uprising" Seems a bit pretentious to call the thing an uprising. If your going for cool titles that don't accurately describe things, how about "Amherst Anarchy", it's illiterate after allwink

Edit: And did the British actually go through with the Smallpox blankets, I know "Lord Jeff" suggested it, but I forget if it was actually followed up upon.

edited 19th Nov '15 5:23:25 AM by JackOLantern1337

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#105129: Nov 19th 2015 at 5:45:07 AM

Sanders' dilemma is that he is so laser-focused on economic issues that he can come across as dismissive or ignorant on other matters of policy, even if he is not. A President cannot afford to be a one-trick pony.

edited 19th Nov '15 5:45:33 AM by Fighteer

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probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#105130: Nov 19th 2015 at 6:10:20 AM

If Clinton wins, I'll settle for Hillary appointing Bernie as economic advisor.

Plants are aliens, and fungi are nanomachines.
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#105131: Nov 19th 2015 at 6:21:31 AM

Meet the women wearing the American flag Hijab. I will never understand why marginalized groups feel any loyalty to this country, but the fact that they do makes our treatment of them all the more shameful.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#105132: Nov 19th 2015 at 6:23:25 AM

[up] Speaking as someone who has family in the U.S with that sort of sentiment...I can tell you that the kool aid is apparently very strong, and also the treatment is sort of part of it.

Imagine being treated like shit, yet you still have access to all this awesome shit you know you would not have elsewhere. Hence despite what they say they must truly love you, right? The problem is probably you.

See it as a cycle of abuse and it makes more sense.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#105133: Nov 19th 2015 at 6:32:28 AM

But it seems to be a uniquely American phenomenon, most immigrants in say Europe do not consider themselves European, and have little love or loyalty towards those countries. My current theory is that since America has no definite identity, it is easier for them to delude themselves into thinking they are actually Americans, as opposed to a distinct immigrant group.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#105134: Nov 19th 2015 at 6:34:08 AM

Ask the Ghurkhas how they feel about the Brits.

Also, few nations have such an exagerated sense of nationality as the U.S does, but I bet you any Scottish immigrant will be as passionate about a Celtics v Rangers game as any local born and made person could ever be after a while.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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A procrastination in of itself
#105135: Nov 19th 2015 at 6:37:11 AM

Actually most immigrants over here do integrate and consider themselves local, some will consider themselves their native country and local (even if they've never been to their 'native' country), but the loyalty is still there.

Now there is a difference in style between the US system of the melting pot and the European system of multiculturalism, but the idea that Europe's migrant community don't show loyalty is false, first general migrants especially are normally very loyal, it's 2nd or 3rd generation ones who tend to act out.

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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#105136: Nov 19th 2015 at 6:51:29 AM

Prolly cuz' second or third generations did not suffer directly what made the first generation leave their original country in the first place. By law of the "Grass is always greener" and the "Teenagers are rebels", the wonders of their ancestor's countries sound oh so magnificent compared to the hardships suffered here and now.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#105137: Nov 19th 2015 at 7:02:05 AM

But it's not just immigrants. Throughout our history marginalized groups have fought for this country. I would really prefer not to have to consider the Tuskegee airmen Uncle Toms.

edited 19th Nov '15 7:03:39 AM by JackOLantern1337

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#105138: Nov 19th 2015 at 7:11:08 AM

Because they refuse to let America just be a nation for rich white people.

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#105139: Nov 19th 2015 at 7:47:51 AM

You can feel resentment for something while loving it at the same time. Probably not the healthiest thing to do but conflicting emotions are part of the human experience.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#105140: Nov 19th 2015 at 8:19:24 AM

[up]That's America, though. We love our country and therefore we see all the problems with it and want to set our country straight, and we at least cherish the illusion that we have a choice in our government (and our government cooperates in giving us that illusion).

Also, it helps to note that while America has a strong far right, nativism in America is pretty much restricted to that far right. The rest of us want legal immigrants (illegals are a separate can of worms with more disinformation involved than usual) to come over here, work and prosper. In Europe, I see a lot of otherwise supposedly-leftist people and groups who want to shut the door (Syriza has an excuse, nobody else does).

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#105141: Nov 19th 2015 at 8:36:45 AM

There's also the fact that America isn't half as bad as most people make it out to be, and is head and shoulders above where they came from.

You won't be dragged out of your house by the government for converting to another religion. Or for badmouthing the government. And even if you do commit a crime you get a fair trial.

Are some of the people assholes and extremists? Sure. But most immigrants are coming from places where most of the local extremists will rape and kill you and get away with it, and have done so for years, to one where the local assholes will, on average, paint graffiti on a building and be mean. Violent Hate crimes are rare enough that when they do happen(like the attacks on Sikhs post 9/11), they're big news.

And that's in addition to the economic opportunities. While it's hard to find a job, many immigrants do find work and do much better than they did back home.

I'm baaaaaaack
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Lost in Space
#105142: Nov 19th 2015 at 8:41:28 AM

On Monday, The Daily Show with Trevor Noah ran a fact-checking segment on the Democratic presidential debate from Saturday. While it must be remembered that it is a comedy show, it is often more committed to truth than the average news program.

  • Hillary Clinton's rebuttal to Sanders' accusations about being the pet of wealthy backers fell flat against the observation that something like 85% of her funding is coming from large donors.
  • Bernie Sanders' inflammatory and rude claim that America has the highest rate of child poverty among the developed world turned out to be a bald-faced lie. We are second worst, above Romania. Take that, Sanders!

edited 19th Nov '15 8:44:51 AM by Fighteer

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#105143: Nov 19th 2015 at 8:43:24 AM

Romania is part of the developed world? I think Sanders can be forgiven for not knowing that...I myself thought it was still in the "getting over Communism" phase.

edited 19th Nov '15 8:44:10 AM by Ramidel

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#105144: Nov 19th 2015 at 8:47:56 AM

[up][up][up]It took me a week in the US to get two jobs, they weren't that nice to begin with but I made much more money as a cashier than I did as a tech support worker at home.

I've also spent 3 months looking for a job related to my graduation and all I've managed to find was an unpaid internship.

Sans some European countries, which all have their own set of problems, the US is really great when compared to the rest of the world.

Come on, walking alone in Baltimore was safer and more pleasant than doing the same in my hometown.

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#105145: Nov 19th 2015 at 9:00:27 AM

[up][up] Romania is actually a Member State of the EU.

Keep Rolling On
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#105146: Nov 19th 2015 at 9:13:16 AM

Bernie for Treasury would actually be pretty cool.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#105147: Nov 19th 2015 at 11:08:27 AM

I feel like Bernie would do better in his present roll of Senator than in an advisory role.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#105148: Nov 19th 2015 at 11:27:33 AM

Or both roles? "Advisor" is not a formal job and not subject to separation of offices.

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Lost in Space
#105149: Nov 19th 2015 at 11:28:40 AM

I am becoming less enamored of Bernie. (The Bern has worn off a bit.) Perhaps it's because he says the same message over and over. You can't be a one-trick pony as President.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#105150: Nov 19th 2015 at 12:30:14 PM

Well, hopefully Bernie'll stick around to keep Clinton from driving too far rightwards.

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edited 19th Nov '15 12:30:39 PM by TheyCallMeTomu


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