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#104976: Nov 16th 2015 at 4:57:43 AM

[up] It's at least intellectually consistent with the belief that the Rapture is coming "any day now" and so all that fancy larnin' will be useless to the innocent kiddies who are certain to be swept up to rest in God's bosom.

Of course, if it doesn't, then they'll be left as useless leeches on society, making them indistinguishable from their parents. Again, consistency.

edited 16th Nov '15 4:58:14 AM by Fighteer

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#104977: Nov 16th 2015 at 6:49:40 AM

[up] My brain's still (trying) to recover from that statement.

I'm just (lifts hands in despair).

In a way, I do get that "learning" seems high-brow, but come on... - reading is crucial level of communication. You'd end up feeling like a foreigner in your own country, if you can't read.

It would be less problematic if reading came more or less automatically to kids (like the way they just pick up spoken language). Math maybe you can delay in learning, but not reading comprehension. It's just harder, the older you start to learn how to read.

Especially, nowadays with "hard to type with" mobile devices mangling spelling, on a regular basis.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#104978: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:04:55 AM

I used to wish that I was home-schooled.

I kinda still wish I did, but knowing now that I probably wouldn't know what I do now is...saddening.

Home school isn't so bad if you never expect to associate with the outside world. I wasn't bred for that so apparently I needed my public education...

And as for that religious freedom thing, same deal. It's fine if you just want to box yourself in your compound and your kids like to be there, but otherwise you probably gotta follow the country's rules.

Poor kids. Subjected to their parents' whims...women have it a little better because they're stronger and wiser, but if they don't have much education easier then it'd probably still be hard for them.

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#104979: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:06:29 AM

Women are stronger and wiser, what?

I can't quite parse anything out of any of that.

Oh really when?
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#104980: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:07:19 AM

I mean stronger and wiser than the kids.

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#104981: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:07:48 AM

[up][up][up][up]My parents were like that for a year or two. One thing to remember about the rapture cults is that they often see any form of education as being something that will lead the child to question them. Teaching them to read may lead them to read the texts and possibly draw different conclusions than what the parents or group leaders preach.

edited 16th Nov '15 7:08:14 AM by carbon-mantis

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#104982: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:09:22 AM

Most of the time, wishing you were "home schooled" generally means one of two things to a child: escaping a hostile social environment (bullying, etc.) or getting to play all day and pay lip service to that silly "learning" thing. The former isn't the ideal way to go about it, and the latter is just natural ignorance.

In most cases, homeschooling is desired by the parents and is done to avoid contaminating their precious babies with ideas that they don't approve of.

In semi-related news, Ezra Klein talks about the reasons why Republicans think America is doing terribly despite all the evidence to the contrary. In large part, it's because an awful lot of Republicans live in parts of the country where their elected masters have done their level best to make sure that the recovery from the 2008 recession never reaches them.

edited 16th Nov '15 7:09:51 AM by Fighteer

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#104983: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:12:22 AM

My brain's still (trying) to recover from that statement. I'm just (lifts hands in despair). In a way, I do get that "learning" seems high-brow, but come on... - reading is crucial level of communication. You'd end up feeling like a foreigner in your own country, if you can't read.

What does a country matter if the world is going to end and the Second Coming going to happen? What does anything in this world matter if God is about to make it all end?

That's the mindset of these people, and they're always sure it's right around the corner. Every 6 months or so here in the US you'll see a news story about some poll being released that claims that 40-50% of people think that the Second Coming or The Rapture or whatever else will come within their lifetime. With Evangelicals, that often climbs up to around 60%.

And it doesn't matter to them how many generations past thought the same thing, or were sure that some special date like 100 A.D or 500 A.D or 1000 or 2000 were proved wrong. They're sure it's going to happen to them, so everything in the temporal world is meaningless because it's just around the corner. And because of that there's no arguing with or compromising with these people, no rational middle or argument that can reach them.

So, how can you convince them that reading is worthwhile, unless it's to read the bible?

edited 16th Nov '15 7:13:26 AM by TheWanderer

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#104984: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:12:58 AM

;p How many kids ever really liked school.

I love learning. I just hate all the work. And being packed into small rooms with so many other people...

Such why having fewer to no children is a really attractive option these days.

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#104985: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:17:52 AM

[up] Or we could expand education budgets so that school districts don't have to cram so many kids into each classroom. There are solutions to these problems, you know, that don't involve NPG or anti-natalism or other stupidity.

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#104986: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:20:08 AM

But fewer people makes things so much easier.

Well I'm fine with bigger school budgets. That was always a problem no matter what school I was at. >_>

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#104988: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:27:54 AM

The most logic defying bit is that if the kids can't read then they can't read the bible, which means that in at least some branches of Christianity they can't become full members of the Church.

US homeschooling is just weird, in other areas homeschooling is normally about getting kids away from bullying, providing much needed one to one, managing a kid with learning difficulties that the system can't cope with, or occasionally trying a different method of education to that of the conventional system.

I know a fair number of home schooled kids because parents would often try homeschooling before sending their kids to the school I went to, there's only one instances I can think of where homeschooling was about isolating the kids from the outside world, oddly enough that was actually done by parents who pulled their kids out of my school and decided to 'homeschool' them in Cornwall so as to isolate them from the world.

And yeah fewer kids might mean that the kids that are there get a better education, but it undermines even them in the long run, as when they become productive members of society, their tax money is going to end up going to supporting the kids who weren't in the classroom.

I know red states tend to take more then they give to the federal budget, by any chance are they also the ones with the lowest rates of kids in school?

edited 16th Nov '15 7:30:15 AM by Silasw

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#104989: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:28:40 AM

[up][up]A lot of it also depends on how qualified your parents are to teach you the stuff themselves. Taking a kid out at 10 then throwing a calculus book at them and saying "have at it" won't work out very well in the long run.

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#104990: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:32:38 AM

I think schools can share some of the blame for making reading seem not a fun thing to do.

Too much reading of boring stuff can do that. And yeah... I'd count the Bible as one of them boring stuff even though I was in the minority of youngsters who just read (several versions of) the damn book instead of just listening to teachers repeating other people's interpretations of its passages.

Probably why I just force myself to be OK with trashy novels (for both genders). Even reading junk should increase reading comprehension, especially of kids.

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#104991: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:44:14 AM

Preventing their kids from learning allows to "keep their soul pure of any taint" to make sure that when the rapture does happen (obviously in the parents' lifetime, as said above) they're definitely deemed pure enough to be chosen.

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.

edited 16th Nov '15 7:44:35 AM by Medinoc

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#104992: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:45:06 AM

The ironic thing is that the Bible basically says to keep working like normal, not freeze in place and wait for the end.

edited 16th Nov '15 7:57:52 AM by speedyboris

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#104993: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:57:11 AM

@blueninja nothing in what you posted says it would allow people to beat their spouses. What it says is some attorneys think it could be used in a trial as a defense. If it allowed, they're wouldn't even be a trial.

[up] there's also one that says even the angels don't know when it will happen. These people really need to read the bible. They're like fangirls on Tumblr Except they look for dates for the rapture instead of shipping people on no basis.

edited 16th Nov '15 8:00:02 AM by Joesolo

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#104994: Nov 16th 2015 at 8:03:10 AM

You don't need logic to make ships. All you need to ship is some number of characters and some creative output detailing their romance.

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#104995: Nov 16th 2015 at 8:48:42 AM

That's what I'm saying. People will ship characters because they looked at each other once, without taking anything else into account.

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#104997: Nov 16th 2015 at 9:08:23 AM

Michigan, Alabama, Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Indiana are refusing to accept any Syrian refugees until Homeland Security reviews and updates it's screen procedures.

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#104998: Nov 16th 2015 at 9:14:12 AM

Well, good for them. I'm sure the Syrian refugees didn't want to come to their dumb states anyway.

Interesting item: a Syrian family lives right across the street from me; their two boys go to school with my son. They have talked a lot about the horrors of the war there, and have relatives who have had to flee to "safe zones" to escape the violence. I haven't asked them how they immigrated; I presume it was via legal channels rather than as refugees, and while they have a strong cultural identity they have shown no signs of killing any evil Americans, so there's that...

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#104999: Nov 16th 2015 at 9:25:58 AM

Do the states in question have that authority or are they just pretending that the federal government doesn't exist again?

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#105000: Nov 16th 2015 at 9:26:58 AM

Well, now we know who is the Eastern Europe of the USA.

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