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#104876: Nov 14th 2015 at 5:07:40 PM

The thing with guns is that yes criminals will get them if they really want them but I can guarantee you that almost every gun used in almost every crime in the United States was a some point legally purchased in this country.

You buy it legally, hand it to someone else who files them numbers off, who then sells it to the bad guy.

Oh really when?
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#104877: Nov 14th 2015 at 5:08:01 PM

I don't think body count is a particularly relevant statistic;

Why? I mean it's our primary way of determining how harmful an attack was, how is it not relevant?

someone wants to do bodily harm to another badly enough, they can find a way to acquire the means no mater what they are.

Yeah no, otherwise they'd be using nukes, ballistic missiles, airplanes or tanks. They can't find those means because we've successfully limited to access to said means. British street gangs use knives instead of the handguns that their American counterparts use, that's not because they don't want handguns, it's because they can't get them.

Sure they can acquire a means, but that's not reason not to try, I think a lot of people would be a lot happier today if the news was covering how 5 ISIS members tried to stage a knife attack in central Paris and got the crap kicked out of them.

yes criminals will get them if they really want them

Why does this apply only to guns? I'm sure the Paris attackers really wanted a tank, but they couldn't get one, why does the logic that stopped them getting a tank not apply to stopping them getting guns?

edited 14th Nov '15 5:09:43 PM by Silasw

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#104878: Nov 14th 2015 at 5:12:19 PM

Re-reminder that there's a Dem debate on CBS tonight in about one hour at 9 EST, a timeslot and day when a minimum number of people are likely to watch. T-Thanks DNC headed by Clinton's former campaign co-chair!

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#104879: Nov 14th 2015 at 5:14:19 PM

Second Democratic debate tonight.

[nja] Freakin' Debbie Wasserman Schultz, man.

edited 14th Nov '15 5:15:09 PM by Artificius

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#104880: Nov 14th 2015 at 5:15:03 PM

[up][up][up]In the case of tanks and nukes, it doesn't actually matter if they're legal or not-it'll be hard for criminals to acquire them because they're expensive as hell.

edited 14th Nov '15 5:15:18 PM by Protagonist506

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#104881: Nov 14th 2015 at 5:15:30 PM

2nd Democratic Debate happens in 45 minutes. We ended up attending some kind of dinner supporting Hilary Clinton, even though I'm not fully behind her but whatever.

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#104882: Nov 14th 2015 at 5:24:37 PM

They're hitting her with another "Hillary isn't genuine/is a liar" angle on a story she apparently tells about going to a recruiter when she was 26. The thing that bugs me with Schultz's take on it is that she seems to be saying that the facts of a story don't matter nearly so much as the message it conveys. It seems like a short leap from that to "the democratic process doesn't matter nearly so much as the candidates we elect." I don't know about Clinton, but I like Schultz less and less. http://tinyurl.com/ns6tka5

edited 14th Nov '15 5:52:56 PM by Artificius

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#104883: Nov 14th 2015 at 5:52:06 PM

[up] Next they are going to say that she was symbolically shot at by a snipertongue

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#104884: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:00:38 PM

In the case of Trump, even if his statement were correct, it was singularly rude of him to state it within a week of the event.
The problem is that it's an entirely arbitrary time limit where the debate is off limits because you say so. There's little real difference between "my god, it's still an ongoing situation, have some respect!" and "my god, it's only been a day, have some respect!" and "my god, it's only been a week, have some respect!" and "my god, it's only been a month, have some respect!"

When you let opponents of the debate (not people advocating for one side or the other of the issue, but people opposed to discussing the issue at all) decide when it's appropriate to bring up the subject, then the subject will never be brought up, ever.

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#104885: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:09:32 PM

I mean in this situation there's an official period of morning, plus it's pretty shitty of international actors to use this shit for their domestic audiences anyway.

But yeah in general the only real hard limit is the "there are literally still people being shot at/held hostage right now" one.

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#104886: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:12:50 PM

Democrats Return to Hillary Clinton I'm pretty sure this article was paid for by the Clinton campaign. She looks so dam smug in that photo.

edited 14th Nov '15 6:27:30 PM by JackOLantern1337

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#104887: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:25:30 PM

[up]Umm...I don't give much credit to the news media, but I'm pretty sure candidates can't just buy articles. Got a source?

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#104888: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:28:14 PM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
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#104890: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:29:54 PM

[up][up] Jack, why?

edited 14th Nov '15 6:30:06 PM by DrunkenNordmann

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#104891: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:32:36 PM

Sorry.

-Thank god Clinton is calling out these guys on dismissing other countries on threats.

edited 14th Nov '15 6:33:56 PM by JackOLantern1337

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#104892: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:36:16 PM

Well the left over here,and around the world, idolizes Cuba. Witness how many celebrities or left wing Congressmen,looking at you the Congressional Black Caucus, make pilgrimages to shower affection on the Castro's.

Well our celebrates sure love him Spielberg for one visited Cuba, ate dinner with Fidel, and called the event "the eighth most important hours of my life. I have heard of this before, so I trust it, but the source seems biased, so take the others with a grain of salt.

And Bill O'Reilly once said on his show that he would handle the occupation of Iraq by running Iraq exactly Saddam Hussein did, and going by how popular Bill has been with conservatives, we can therefore assume that every single person in the country who is a conservative is in favor of mass murder, torture, and rape.

Or you know, we could not overblow the opinions of one or two people and make gross generalizations about huge sections of the population. Always worth considering.

edited 14th Nov '15 6:37:09 PM by TheWanderer

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#104893: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:43:37 PM

Sanders got first laughter and applause for promising that he's not so much of a Socialist that he'd go for the historic top tax rate of 90% for the very wealthy.

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#104894: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:48:19 PM

[up] Dwight Eisenhower was such a commie. Also does anyone else think they cut to commercials when the other candidates start to distinguish themselves, this current debate session seemed really short.

-Oh man Clinton was getting clobbered on the minimum wage. So of course they cut to commercial.

-Last commercial break their was a commercial from Walmart workers, now Walmart itself puts in an add, nothing captures how conflicted the Democrats are.

-Clinton responds to questioning of her campaign finances, by brining up 9/11, smooth, especially when she never really did much for the state then.

edited 14th Nov '15 7:08:25 PM by JackOLantern1337

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#104895: Nov 14th 2015 at 7:10:22 PM

"Lehman Brothers was not a big bank, it was an investment bank." What, Clinton?

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#104896: Nov 14th 2015 at 7:10:59 PM

O'Malley hasn't gone after Sanders nearly as much as Clinton. Think he's angling for a Sanders VP position?

Oop, never mind. Sanders definitely flubbed the first gun control question, and O'Malley pounced.

edited 14th Nov '15 7:13:59 PM by Artificius

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#104897: Nov 14th 2015 at 7:14:12 PM

Only nation that looses as many of our citizens to gun violence. I assume the Middle East doesn't count. And that hand on heart thing. What a tool.

Hahahahaha. You got called out Hillary.

edited 14th Nov '15 7:15:00 PM by JackOLantern1337

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#104898: Nov 14th 2015 at 7:16:37 PM

This moment by moment commentary means absolutely nothing if you don't give context. Since, you know, not all of us are watching the debate or might come in at a later time.

I thought about watching the debates, but I've had too long a day after a sleepless night, and I doubt it'd change my mind anyway.

edited 14th Nov '15 7:17:06 PM by AceofSpades

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#104899: Nov 14th 2015 at 7:20:27 PM

That unfortunate for you. I think it will be clear enough what we were referring to once you get around to watching it, however.

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#104900: Nov 14th 2015 at 7:21:04 PM

Can I say something sort of controversial?

Can't we all just accept that Hillary is going to win despite the best efforts of every twentysomething in America and work to cope with that fact?


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