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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
The law says you cannot be fired for taking jury duty. Most jury panels let you opt out if you are a sole caregiver or otherwise have responsibilities that would cause you to suffer undue hardship, although I'm not sure how that works from state to state, as noted.
Anyway, the kinds of people who won't register to vote because they fear getting summoned to jury duty tend to be more aligned with the anarchist or libertarian poles than the rich/poor pole. They're the "fuck government" types, not the "I could starve" types.
edited 9th Nov '15 4:43:12 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Well when I become dictator of this country jurors will be reimbursed for every cent of wages lost.
I am well aware. That speaks of many issues that go well beyond the simple question of jury duty itself.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"In my state, it's either having a driver's license, a hunting and fishing license, or voter registration.
@Fighteer: Yeah. Still, we need, A, paid jury duty, and B, we need the people getting screwed by this kind of stuff to be sitting on juries. (We also need a bit of class consciousness among same, but why don't I ask for a pony while I'm at it.)
Double post: Evidence of outright voting machine fraud in Kentucky.
I'd like to ask if anyone has a second opinion on this. If it's true, someone needs to find a smoking gun pronto.
Voter fraud, the idea that someone will impersonate someone else to vote or vote more than once or some other thing, is a different beast entirely from voting MACHINE fraud. I think there's been some cases of it before, but I can't recall anything right now.
Also, this same article, or at least one on the subject, was posted a few days ago. Unless there's truly an actual investigation, such accusations and suspicions amount to nothing.
edited 9th Nov '15 8:42:30 PM by AceofSpades
Voting machines, not to mention the vote counting itself, can be subject to fraud and it's been a point of concern in the past.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Poking around Google, the story seems to have originated on two blogs, Crooks and Liars
and Brad Blog
on November 4th. Apparently the Crooks and Liars guy was a guest on the Brad Blog guy's podcast. There are a couple other people who pick up the story and refer back to those two (Reverb Press
basically reposts the two articles in quotes on its own site on the 5th, and the Daily News Bin
one on the 6th, which links back to an article identical to the Brad Blog one, but posted on Alternet
instead, while the Daily Kos
also posted on the 6th, but linked back to Crooks and Liars).
tldr, Crooks and Liars and Brad Blog both posted a steaming pile of "I'm going to post some poll numbers and then vote totals and insinuate that the only logical conclusion based on those two facts is people tampering with voting machines. Then I'm going to make several claims that people involved in the election have tampered with the results in the past, too, but I'll use the word 'allegedly' so no one can sue me". The Brad Blog guy in particular seems to have an axe to grind against electronic voting methods, suggesting that hand-counted paper ballots are the One True Way to accurately determine elections. (Didn't help Florida in 2000, but I digress.) Some other people picked up the story and repeated it uncritically. There doesn't seem to be any actual evidence for any sort of fraud beyond "just look at the numbers, it's obvious! Wake up, sheeple!"
I did find one post, from America Blog
on the 5th, that called them out on it. It linked back to both Crooks and Liars and Brad Blog and pokes holes in the idea that the Republicans stole the race. Namely, 1) any conspiracy with a large enough effect to steal a race would almost certainly have to involve Kentucky's Secretary of State, the person in charge of overseeing elections, but that office is currently filled by a Democrat, and 2) the two Democrats who won their races come from long-standing political families, while the guy who lost did not.
edited 9th Nov '15 10:12:14 PM by NativeJovian
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.I do prefer hard counting personally, but that realy only works with paper ballot voting over machine (even just hole punch machine) voting, and once things scale up it must be so bloody complicated. It's hard enough just as a count agent (not a person counting votes, a person watching the people counting) to keep track and try to avoid votes being missed by accident.
It does make things more fun though, you guys get election results so bloody fast, it takes until the next morning (if not later) for us to finish counting. Still machines at least hopefully remove the problem of spoiled ballots, arguments over if a mark counts as a vote or not can get pretty silly.
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Yep, this video is consistent with the issues I've studied during my data security classes.
Also I should mention that my government uses electronic voting machines, there was a controversy about the results because no one knew the source code and if it was tampered with. It got suspicious when a MIT top computer science programmer offered to make a review of the source code was declined.
Honestly the best proposition I've seen for E-Voting involving casting your vote on the machine, then the machine prints a ballot with your vote, at the end of the election both physical votes and digital votes have to match.
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We don't have laws saying you have to be paid for jury duty?