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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#104526: Nov 4th 2015 at 11:09:24 AM

Hasn't PETA been on the FBI terror watchlist for a long time?

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#104527: Nov 4th 2015 at 11:09:44 AM

I am not sure that I understand the reasoning behind euthanizing animals at shelters. If you are against cruelty to them, why would you support killing them?

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#104528: Nov 4th 2015 at 11:10:45 AM

No idea. Like I can usually connect the dots and see where and why the dissonance is happening but this is one of the times when I'm properly stumped.

edited 4th Nov '15 11:11:20 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#104529: Nov 4th 2015 at 11:12:58 AM

Because the animals have been tainted by their contact with humans.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
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#104531: Nov 4th 2015 at 11:14:11 AM

In some veterinarian cases, it is better to off the animal rather than keep it in paliative care. This for example in the case of horses, whose bones when they break rather than nearly breaking kinda shatterexplode and makes its healing process really, really difficult painful and impossible to get back due to the density of their bones and weight.

In most other cases of animals, since their anatomy is different from humans and our knowledge is very lacking and we have no means of communication, it cannot be guaranteed that it is possible to keep them alive without being in unbearable pain.

But what PETA and many others do is more akin to a philosophy of "IF I CANNOT HAVE THEM THEN NOBODY WILL"

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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#104532: Nov 4th 2015 at 11:17:45 AM

[up] Well, obviously, but most shelter animals are not injured, just abandoned. Also, I know of quite a few places that perform rehabilitative care for rescued animals of all sorts — this care includes healing them from injury or illness, resocializing them after abusive ownership, and more.

edited 4th Nov '15 11:18:52 AM by Fighteer

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#104533: Nov 4th 2015 at 11:18:03 AM

I read a story where they poisoned the dog food at a dog show and ended up killing a few dogs.

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#104534: Nov 4th 2015 at 11:19:02 AM

Often times, PETA doesn't make sense. They're the Tumblr SJ Ws of the animal rights movement. They launched campaigns against pokemon for promoting "animal cruelty" .

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#104535: Nov 4th 2015 at 11:20:41 AM

[up] They also tried to get cities to change their names by bribing them with veggie burgers. Three guesses how well that went.

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#104536: Nov 4th 2015 at 11:20:44 AM

Exactly. Back to my point, groups like Greenpeace and PETA (never mind ALF) are not given a seat at the Democratic table precisely because they are so extreme that they would tear the party up if allowed in. You don't see big money Democratic donors sponsoring astroturf extremist movements in an attempt to hijack the party's policy agenda.

The Republicans failed to heed that warning with respect to the Tea Party and are now paying the price.

Imagine if the leading Democratic candidate represented the Anarcho-Communist Animal Freedom Caucus (the "Tree Party", if you will — hyuk hyuk), then imagine that the media pretended that they were equally balanced against a GOP candidate who wanted to institute national healthcare and a carbon tax (both Republican proposals originally, mind you).

edited 4th Nov '15 1:19:48 PM by Fighteer

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#104537: Nov 4th 2015 at 11:21:30 AM

Not just Republicans, us poor people down here too.

Oh really when?
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#104538: Nov 4th 2015 at 11:27:26 AM

That is why ch a nging the culture is so important,

We can have a democratic president who makes the most wonderful policy decisions and great proposals.

Except there is a problem called states rights and unless we change the culture all these lovely little states will start sabatoging and breaking whatever progress could be made.

Like what is happening with the ACA.

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#104540: Nov 4th 2015 at 1:13:03 PM

[up] Thank you, I'm here all week.

Marco Rubio's financial problems come back to haunt him. In the CNBC debate, Rubio was asked questions about his personal finances, such as intermingling campaign and personal money, a foreclosure, and liquidating a retirement account early with stiff tax penalties.

Among the tidbits, which Rubio himself admitted, was using a Florida Republican Party credit card to charge personal items, such as repairs to his minivan and attending a family reunion.

As Rubio increasingly emerges as the establishment front-runner behind the insurgent campaigns of Trump and Carson, his personal financial responsibility will become a serious attack point for his opponents.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#104541: Nov 4th 2015 at 1:43:32 PM

I don't think that the recent kayak blockades that have been on the news have been associated with Greenpeace; those were just guys that had been protesting Exxon et al for a while. And PETA, whoo, they are basically hypocrites of the highest order.

Anyway we didn't have any urgent civil rights stuff on the ballot where I live, unless you count the measure for allowing counties with less than seventy five hundred people in them to fix roads through private means. Texas has some weird rules about whether small municipalities can make their own zoning laws and shit. (Which is contributed to the explosion in West a couple years back.)

Looks like everyone else had more exciting election issues going on.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#104542: Nov 4th 2015 at 2:30:58 PM

My university is juuuuuust outside of the city voting districts. Like, the fifth district cuts one of the dormatories on the northern edge of the campus in half.. Don't know why I forgot to ask the mayor about that when he came to our class last week...

edited 4th Nov '15 2:31:40 PM by Xopher001

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#104543: Nov 4th 2015 at 2:53:57 PM

In general I'm confused by when, where, and what for college students can vote for. I mean, a lot of students have out of state status, so what's done to help students with that sort of thing? I'm pretty sure during my early college years I was still listed as a resident of my old home, and I didn't vote in anything while I was there. (I too young to vote during the first W. Bush presidency, and was at home for whatever reason during election time for the second, which I did vote in. However, my case is not as extreme because I only went an hour's travel away from home.)

edited 4th Nov '15 2:55:58 PM by AceofSpades

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#104545: Nov 4th 2015 at 3:06:05 PM

Honestly, that kind of thing is @!#$ING IMPORTANT!!!!!

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#104546: Nov 4th 2015 at 4:54:16 PM

Proud to be a Pennsylvanian, the only state where these off-season elections seem to be going well.

But yeah, this could be big. If our districts were "fair," we'd send about 8-10 Democrats to congress, instead of the 5 currently. That would be a gain of 3-5, narrowing the GOP majority from 30 over half, to 25 over half.

If that happened in five other states, we would take back Congress.

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#104547: Nov 4th 2015 at 5:09:10 PM

Well, I mean, if you send 5 dems, then they lose 5 republicans, so their advantage would be reduced by 10 not 5.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#104548: Nov 4th 2015 at 6:01:08 PM

Is complaing about Rupert Murdoc's takeover of National Geographic on topic for this thread? Cause I believe he'll avoid messing with the editorial side about as much as I believe that the Wall Street Journal stayed the same after he bought it.

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#104549: Nov 4th 2015 at 6:14:28 PM

It's vaguely topical, although I would consider it more appropriate for a general journalism topic, if we had one.

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#104550: Nov 4th 2015 at 6:49:37 PM

Edit: Wrong thread, carry on.

edited 4th Nov '15 6:50:30 PM by Artificius

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