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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#104476: Nov 3rd 2015 at 5:29:30 PM

Well, at least they don't call each other Castratos.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#104477: Nov 3rd 2015 at 5:31:26 PM

Or Castrati.

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#104478: Nov 3rd 2015 at 5:47:59 PM

How the candidates prioritize space exploration The Republicans seem much more committed, but of course many of them are in favor of cutting the Earth Science budget. Bernie Sanders has in the past voted to decrease NASA's budget, though he claims to be in favor of the program, but throws about the "take care of our needs on Earth" platitude. Hillary Clinton just gave out some vague platitude, as his her style on most issues.

Edit: I really hope NASA gets a funding increase, and a clear goal, in the next administration. Obama made the right call in canceling Constellation, and the new hardware is moving along at a much better pace. And of course China is planing on building a Space Station in 2018, and Russia is talking about setting up a moon base with the Euro's. Can't let the commies take the lead in space from us now can wetongue

edited 3rd Nov '15 5:50:47 PM by JackOLantern1337

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#104479: Nov 3rd 2015 at 6:01:22 PM

[up]Don't descend into hyperbole again. Even in the best scenario, the US would not be the only one in space, nor will we (or have we, in actuality) get to do all the firsts. As it is, NASA has made clear that they're aiming for a manned Mars mission in the 2030s. Part of the problem is that it's not exactly easy to tie it to any pressing issues right now. (Also, taking care of problems here on Earth is not actually a platitude. We have a shitload of problems here on Earth. It just shows a very binary way of thinking that is hard to shake out of many of our politicians.)

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#104480: Nov 3rd 2015 at 6:11:19 PM

[up] As you can tell by the tongue, that was a joke. However I am serious about the US needing a large scale manned presence in space to compete against Russia and China, even if we don't get to do all the first we should at least be their. And the whole binary thinking thing was what I meant by calling the "concentrate on Earth problems" thing a platitude.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#104481: Nov 3rd 2015 at 6:14:44 PM

I don't think we should compete in space stuff. We need to collaborate.

Oh really when?
nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#104482: Nov 3rd 2015 at 6:14:51 PM

[up]x3 While there are many Earth-bound problems, NASA budget is miniscule (0.5% of total budget). Don't forget there are a number of technologies we use today that are byproducts of the Apollo missions. A Mars missions will almost certainly result in new technological advances. The return on investment is much higher than a lot of the other crap US gov spends money on.

edited 3rd Nov '15 6:16:36 PM by nightwyrm_zero

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#104483: Nov 3rd 2015 at 6:15:56 PM

Hearing that Bernie is an honest-to-Go...er...an actual secular person makes me tempted to look up more on him but afraid I'll be disappointed. (I'm one of the people in the camp of don't-usualy-vote independents appalled enough at the Republican slate to consider voting Democrat in '16.)

I'm not fiscally liberal but there are signs of him being a member of an endangered species: an honest politician.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#104484: Nov 3rd 2015 at 6:16:43 PM

[up][up]Yeah, I already know all that. I've posted several times saying we need to increase spending on NASA, so I don't know why you're telling me shit I already agree with.

But saying "Earth problems" is not in fact a platitude, it's just blinkered thinking. Words mean things.

edited 3rd Nov '15 6:17:04 PM by AceofSpades

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Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#104485: Nov 3rd 2015 at 6:46:34 PM

The leadership deficit is overstated, i feel. We see what a "deep bench" gets the Republicans. A few qualified people surrounded by a bunch of nutbars in monthly shouting matches on live TV. Most Presidential candidates are relative unknowns, to an extent.

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Student of Story
#104486: Nov 3rd 2015 at 7:44:10 PM

And I think there are a number of younger Democrats in positions like Governors and Senators (Kristen Gillibrand, Castro, Corey Booker, etc.) who are definitely being groomed for success.

The parties seem to have somewhat opposite strategies right now: Democrats are continuing to stick to seniority rule, and thus the Democrats who make most of the national headlines and get the plum/influential positions are those who are most experienced. Hence why a lot of the powerful Dems in the Senate and House, (and running for president) tend to be in their 60s and 70s.

Republicans meanwhile are in a state of constant flux, (because of the demand to move ever further rightward, to be more fanatically conservative and purity tests where people get disqualified for having ever stepped against the conservative orthodoxy does result in a constant turn over) so there is constant change in who is considered the young Next Big Thing among right wingers. The downside to this though is that nearly all of them burn out or do something that takes the luster off their star, and then their 15 minutes is over and the eye of the right wing is looking for the next standard bearer. (See how not so long ago it was hip to hype guys like Jindal, Rand Paul, etc. as new faces that were going to change the GOP and assume leadership positions... and that's not working out very well, now is it?)

edited 4th Nov '15 5:23:38 AM by TheWanderer

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#104487: Nov 3rd 2015 at 7:54:34 PM

Well that's disappointing but I guess he can't be perfect.

Seriously, we could double NASA's budget and government spending would hardly change. Triple it and we might have gals and guys on mars soon.

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#104489: Nov 3rd 2015 at 8:26:10 PM

Has anyone seen the Koch interview that Morning Joe did? I've only seen clips and it... seems kind of double faced to me.

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#104491: Nov 4th 2015 at 12:07:38 AM

That helps me not at all. Also when I say double faced I was referring to what the Kochs were saying because the clips I saw didn't focus much on the hosts.

Quick zingers are not always the best response to a question.

edited 4th Nov '15 12:08:18 AM by AceofSpades

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#104493: Nov 4th 2015 at 1:30:33 AM

Jack, China does have a small space station as is, it's only a 2 man thing (compared to the ISS being a 44 man long stay thing) but it does count.

But yeah, NASA investment would be good, what are you going looking at as a craft with the space shuttle gone? I know we've got some super nice space plane tech in the pipeline over here.

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#104494: Nov 4th 2015 at 2:59:20 AM

[up] Were contracting flights to the ISS out to private companies, Space X and Boeing to be exact, Space X is human rating their Dragon Spacecraft and Boeing is creating a new Sierra called the CST 100 and since I last checked they started calling it the Strainer, fucking advertisers. Also while Sierra Nevada corporation and their Dream Chaser Spacecraft lost out to Space X and Boeing, they are continuing development.

For Beyond Earth Orbit Exploration Nasa has The SLS. Like the Ares 1 and 5 for the old Constellation program, except it is actually meeting it's developmental milestones. And also holding over from project Constellation is Orion. Though it would only be used to ferry astronauts to and from larger exploration vehicles for exploring things like Mars or the Asteroids. Those things are currently in concept. Like I said good hardware, the problem is Nasa has little to no direction, and needs more money.

edited 4th Nov '15 2:59:52 AM by JackOLantern1337

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#104495: Nov 4th 2015 at 3:06:14 AM

Wheee, ten pages of responses! Let's hope my connection holds on long enough to post this!

I'm not sure why you made the mental leap from "black people get killed a lot" to "fire all cops" from my previous post.
Possibly because that sentiment has definitely been expressed in other placesnote . Like Facebook. I have definitely seen competing "fire all the cops" vs "support the cops no matter what" memes on my feed.
the worst states to be black in are also southern states
I'm sure this isn't a coincidence?
I can't help but notice the ones screaming "fire all cops" tend to be the white hipster kids
Like the one who got shot a few weeks ago because he got pulled over driving without his license, was utterly uncooperative, and then attacked the cop before being shot?
No one police officer or police department has literally said that black people are going to be hunted like deer.
That we know of. Because there's probably that one asshole out there who's said it and hasn't been called on it because he's been careful to only say it to other racists.
I think anyone would rationally prefer not to be having to steal a spot from a good politician out of fear from a nebulous system. That they are driven to this point begs the question "Why are they doing this?"
Since this has been pushed back to Sanders a couple of times, I must ask, has BLM attempted to do the same thing to Trump/Carson/Rubio/Jeb/therestofthem with any degree of success? Have they tried, and been blocked by securitynote  or have they not even attempted?
Plus, I can't help but picture a "Black Season/Honky Season" exchange, complete with lisping.
It's probably on Key And Peele.
the argument that Blacks should have no choice but to vote Democrat is sickeningly pernicious and perverse.
It is ... but isn't it sadly true?
there's no way he'd win reelection
Plenty of people said the same thing about W when he won in 2000.
If Trump gets elected president, a time traveler will come back from the future in order to ensure such a horrible future does not come to pass.
Hitler's Time Travel Exemption Act is the right trope here, I think.
why do people actually want Clinton?
She's not a Republican.
Trump, meanwhile, is fighting against the debate on Telemundo.
Shocking!
Faith, or even a hint about it, just isn’t part of his public persona.
While that makes me like him even more, this does now make me worry about his chances. Being non-religious in politics is a huge handicap for some stupid reason.
nothing stops a former president running for congress and becoming speaker.
Or being appointed to the Supreme Court.
Can't let the commies take the lead in space from us now can we
[lol] Joking aside, I really would like to see us throw a couple hundred million more at NASA.
Houston's Equal Rights Ordinance has been struck down by voters 62 to 38 percent,
I can't open this link (probably due to Navy internet); could someone kindly give me a summary?

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#104496: Nov 4th 2015 at 3:32:27 AM

I can't open this link (probably due to Navy internet); could someone kindly give me a summary?
Transphobia won on the bathroom myth, mayor is appalled, and fears people may take their business elsewhere.

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#104498: Nov 4th 2015 at 6:35:32 AM

...Well, never going to Texas.

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A nice butterfly
#104499: Nov 4th 2015 at 6:42:16 AM

I must ask, has BLM attempted to do the same thing to Trump/Carson/Rubio/Jeb/therestofthem with any degree of success?

I think they have but do not take my word for it, since I am not quite familiar with these news. But in any case, here is a related story.

There is a catholic saint: Saint Sebastian. He is known for being arrowed and left for dead. He was nursed back to health by some woman and he immediately decided to go speak to the guy who decided to order his shooting about how that is not a nice thing to do.

He was beheaded.

It is kinda pointless to talk to someone so deaf and hostile to a movement that they would sacrifice them in order to foster their own goals, whereas at least the Democracts would, and have, given them the chance.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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Lost in Space
#104500: Nov 4th 2015 at 7:03:00 AM

Yeah, that is sort of the issue here: there is literally no point in trying to engage the Republican party in civil rights conversations. Everyone who counts on that side is completely deaf to them. Sure, you might get Kasich to listen, but pegging your tent to someone who's all but invisible in the polls isn't going to get you anywhere.

edited 4th Nov '15 7:03:45 AM by Fighteer

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