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#104426: Nov 3rd 2015 at 8:51:38 AM

@"he's a secular humanist" ah, no, he's not. He's Jewish. He's said he's Jewish.

edited 3rd Nov '15 8:52:08 AM by Joesolo

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#104428: Nov 3rd 2015 at 8:55:48 AM

[up] I swear to god we should have put Sherman in charge of Reconstruction.

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#104429: Nov 3rd 2015 at 8:56:48 AM

[up] Not a Shermannote ? [lol]

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#104430: Nov 3rd 2015 at 9:10:19 AM

[up] Bit anachronistic, that.

@Joesolo: You do know that you can be a secular humanist and still have a religious faith, right?

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#104431: Nov 3rd 2015 at 9:12:53 AM

@ Joe Solo

The only major presidential candidate who is not openly religious is Bernie Sanders. He is Jewish, but has made a point of saying he is not practicing

Bernie’s Beliefs Bernie is a secular Jew who values and actively engages with people of various faiths for the betterment of society. What is Bernie’s own faith? Bernie was raised Jewish but says he is not “particularly religious.”

Sanders, 74, was born to Jewish parents and identifies as Jewish — though culturally, not religiously. ... Sanders is the presidential contender most willing to dissociate himself from religion. Though he identifies as Jewish and by Jewish law is Jewish, he has freely acknowledged that he is not a religious person. He scored a solid zero from Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition in its most recent scorecard and a 100 from the abortion rights group NARAL Pro-Choice America.

Believing Christians sometimes refer to themselves as “in, but not of” this world. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont seems to take an opposite approach — of, but not in, the American Jewish community. The 73-year-old self-proclaimed “democratic socialist” is Jewish by background but secular in daily life. He doesn’t belong to a synagogue back home in the Green Mountain State, or in Washington, D.C. And unlike other non-religious Jewish lawmakers, Sanders doesn’t make much of an effort to couch his far-left views in the tradition of tikkun olam (Hebrew for “repairing the world”) — nor the nebulous notion in American politics of “social justice.” Faith, or even a hint about it, just isn’t part of his public persona. “Bernie Sanders is not the first name that comes to mind when one thinks of a Jewish politician,” the Jewish Daily Forward reported in 2010. “Sanders, the only self-described socialist in the Senate, doesn’t do much mingling in Jewish organizational crowds.”

One of Sanders' best friends of 40 years is a professor of religion and philosophy at the University of Vermont. Richard Sugarman, an Orthodox Jew, says his friend is a secularist, a humanist — with no connection to organized religion. Above all, Sugarman says, Sanders is a pragmatist.

I think it's safe to say that secular humanist beliefs play a much larger role in Sanders' life than the Torah.

edited 3rd Nov '15 9:14:29 AM by TheWanderer

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#104432: Nov 3rd 2015 at 9:13:30 AM

A thought that just occurred to me. If Hillary gets the nomination, what is the likelihood of Sanders being her VP running mate, or vice versa?

edited 3rd Nov '15 9:13:43 AM by sgamer82

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#104433: Nov 3rd 2015 at 9:15:14 AM

[up] It's certainly the obvious choice, but I am not sure that Sanders would accept a VP role.

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#104434: Nov 3rd 2015 at 9:16:53 AM

Well far be it from me to ignore info dumps and his friends over quotes from him saying he is Jewish though not particularly religious.

And if he can be both I don't see why the poster I responded to would have said he is a secular humanist in response to discussion about his Jewish faith

edited 3rd Nov '15 9:25:16 AM by Joesolo

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#104435: Nov 3rd 2015 at 9:18:03 AM

I am not sure how much Sanders could get done as a VP, really. Other than getting him a job, I mean :P

Bill clinton would be a hilious VP though if only to see the conspiracy theories about the clinton family running the country like a theocracy

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#104436: Nov 3rd 2015 at 9:27:00 AM

I'm pretty sure there's a rule that says Vice Presidents have to meet the same eligibility criteria as Presidential candidates. Since Bill is ineligible to run for President due to already having served two terms in the office, he would also be ineligible for Vice President.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#104437: Nov 3rd 2015 at 9:29:49 AM

O'Malley would get the Veep role, if Clinton won. Sanders would probably feel he'd be better off remaining in the Senate. The man's too much of a maverick to do otherwise.

edited 3rd Nov '15 9:30:00 AM by FFShinra

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#104438: Nov 3rd 2015 at 10:23:54 AM

In regards to local elections; I found out yesterday that there's a vote TODAY on some bond issues and the like. Kinda wish I'd known earlier, because looking it all up I have little idea what this is about and the wording on a few of these is quite confusing.

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#104439: Nov 3rd 2015 at 10:36:09 AM

[up][up][up] He's actually not ineligible, the ban is on serving more than two consecutive terms, not on running more than twice.

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#104440: Nov 3rd 2015 at 10:38:28 AM

[up]If he's ineligible to be elected a third time, then what even is the point in running again? It's one of those practical things where one thing being against the rules means the other thing doesn't need to be explicitly against the rules because pointless because of the first thing.

So... not even sure why you're bringing that up.

Edit: looked it up. While technically he could be vp (but who the fuck would vote for that anyway?) the ban on being directly elected for more than two terms has nothing to do with them being consecutive terms.

http://www.infoplease.com/askeds/presidential-term-limits.html

edited 3rd Nov '15 10:40:44 AM by AceofSpades

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#104441: Nov 3rd 2015 at 10:39:52 AM

[up][up]The text of the 22nd amendment begins "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice". (The rest is pretty much just covering edge cases.) So the limit isn't "two consecutive terms", it's "two terms, period".

edited 3rd Nov '15 10:40:08 AM by NativeJovian

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#104442: Nov 3rd 2015 at 10:42:53 AM

Sanders would run into the same issue that Clinton did with Obama, to many people would want to ticket reversed and it would risk a power struggle.

I mean he'd make Clinton pretty much impossible to impeach/assassinate, but that would be it, he doesn't have the connections that Biden did.

[up] That says elected though, he wouldn't be elected, he'd inherit.

edited 3rd Nov '15 10:45:41 AM by Silasw

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#104443: Nov 3rd 2015 at 10:58:20 AM

Doesn't it say that nobody can be elected to VP who is not also eligible to be President?

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#104444: Nov 3rd 2015 at 10:58:58 AM

Julian Castro is really the only choice for Clinton. Young, Latino, cultivated by the Obama Administration by appointing him to HUD, also from Texas, an important point for incursion against the GOP's Solid South. Sanders as VEEP doesn't get you much, unless the Clinton campaign thinks they *need* him to energize young whites, which she's been doing a good job of engaging progressive millenials via media, if not so much via policy.

It would be interesting in the scenario where Trump gets the nom, and he picks "Sheriff Joe" from Arizona, infamous for his hardnosed (and illegally abusive, but it never sticks) treatment of mexican migrants, to then see Sheriff Joe and Castro in the veep debate.

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#104445: Nov 3rd 2015 at 11:00:00 AM

V Ps are elected, though. Not directly to the Presidency, but they still have to be on the Presidential ballot. The only person who could have exploited that loophole to get more than two terms would be Gerald Ford.

On another note, something just occurred to me about the Republican primary debate. Do you suppose anyone involved in the process has realized that, by all of them getting together and agreeing not to participate in debates unless their demands are met, the Republican candidates are practicing collective bargaining?

edited 3rd Nov '15 11:05:25 AM by RavenWilder

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#104446: Nov 3rd 2015 at 11:00:20 AM

[up][up]Wouldn't that indicate rather strongly that Castro is being groomed for a future presidential run? Right now hardly anybody knows who he is.

[up] The irony has been noted, yes. Of course, the GOP candidates are not employees of the RNC, so the analogy is not perfect.

edited 3rd Nov '15 11:01:03 AM by Fighteer

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#104447: Nov 3rd 2015 at 11:05:01 AM

The relevant text is the 12th amendment, specifically "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States".

Google reveals that this question came up during the 2008 election, too. Apparently it's a legal gray area, depending on whether being ineligible to be elected President (per the 22nd amendment) makes you ineligible to hold the office of President (per the 12th amendment).

It's unclear enough that if a former two-term president like Clinton or Obama did run for vice president, they'd almost certainly be sued for it — which is probably reason enough by itself to not do it.

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#104448: Nov 3rd 2015 at 11:16:18 AM

Yeah, I can't see that ever working. And Bill Clinton has no desire to be President again.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#104449: Nov 3rd 2015 at 11:16:34 AM

Not to mention the issue of Conflict of Interest that could arise from a husband and wife Presidential duo

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#104450: Nov 3rd 2015 at 11:18:47 AM

But think of the hilarity!

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