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#104351: Nov 2nd 2015 at 11:34:32 AM

[up] Lessig never got more than 1% in the polls; his complaints seem a bit like Jim Webb's in tone.

@Aprilla: That exchange in the military thread probably should have been thumped. I am not certain why it got missed, but I do apologize.

edited 2nd Nov '15 11:35:08 AM by Fighteer

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#104352: Nov 2nd 2015 at 11:36:42 AM

[up][up]Inevitable. Though if he were truely serious, he would have started months before he did. Part of it is probably the DNC's fault, but some of that was just him being tardy.

edited 2nd Nov '15 11:36:53 AM by FFShinra

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#104353: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:03:39 PM

Man. This thread turned kinda creepy real fast.

Is it time to return to the status quo of mocking the Trump statement du jour, or something?

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#104354: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:04:01 PM

I don't think anyone is trying to start a war, but this entire discussion started because people were dissecting Aprilla's statements and blowing a euphemism out of proportion. some of these questions might not have been disingenuous, so fair enough there, but it seems puzzling that he's being asked to consistently clarify his position over statements that he didn't even make.

I don't know about the second part (seriously, where's that?) but it's not a euphemism, it's a hyperbole. Euphemism would be saying that Black people are, I dunno, justice-challenged, or less-than-fairly treated. Or would that just be "understatement"?

[up]Let's instead take a harder traget: Bernie Sanders has stated two seemingly opposite motives for the same action.

[down]As a utilitarian, I find your argument cogent, though I agree that it lacks political punch.

edited 2nd Nov '15 12:12:21 PM by TheHandle

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#104355: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:05:57 PM

My greater point was that I'm more concerned with mass incarceration of black people than I am of arrest related homicide. I condemn both things when they occur, but given finite resources to be dedicated towards addressing issues, I consider the former to be the more pressing issue.

You can certainly argue that's a false dichotomy though, sure.

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#104356: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:13:38 PM

Also, how the hell did "working class" become code for "poor white" and "urban" for "black"?

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#104357: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:18:04 PM

There are cities where there are large black populations. Chicago, New York City and Philadelphia come to mind.

And most of the "working class" jobs are historically viewed as being occupied by white people working in factories, farms and the like.

[up]Let's instead take a harder traget: Bernie Sanders has stated two seemingly opposite motives for the same action.
As to the Sanders winning online polls, that's apparently because Sanders followers on Reddit mass coordinated to jack up Sanders' standing regardless of actual performance, IIRC.

edited 2nd Nov '15 12:22:30 PM by PotatoesRock

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#104358: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:23:55 PM

Yeah, I don't think that Sanders is winning the primary among people who are likely to vote. Sad but true.

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#104359: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:38:25 PM

Maybe Sanders will make them likely to vote just by being there as an option, like Obama did in 2008?

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#104360: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:40:00 PM

Plausible. I wouldn't put money on it, but it's not impossible.

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#104361: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:41:44 PM

In other news, 8 arrests have been made in a gun-smuggling ring that moved over 100 guns from other States (e.g. Pittsburgh, PA and Atlanta, GA) to New York City via commercial buses.

And for those that exclaim about how stricter gun laws do nothing to deter gun violence, even the guy doing it pointed out the inherent flaw via wiretapped cell phone.

The wiretap evidence shows Bassier knew exactly what he was doing, prosecutors said. “I’m selling them the right way and the wrong way,” he told his ex. “When I’m out of state, like Atlanta and Georgia and all that, it’s all legal ... but in New York it’s completely illegal.”

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#104362: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:41:47 PM

Well with Lessig, Webb and Chaffe out and Biden confirming he's not going to be in, we should start seeing less ratfucked offline polling results (Biden was basically a distraction that diluted the numbers of the actual candidates). And it's still several months from the primaries, etc. etc. etc.

It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.

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#104363: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:47:24 PM

Well, Biden was never a significant entity in the polls despite his strong showing, because he seems to have drawn more or less evenly from Sanders and Clinton supporters. His withdrawal mainly redistributed his votes proportionally among the two of them.

This show is clearly Clinton vs. Sanders, and Clinton would have to do something pretty bad to lose her place at the top. Still, there's lots of time for something to happen.

The distinction between the two is less one of ideology and more one of whether voters favor radical, revolutionary solutions (in context for the U.S., of course) versus mainstream, more palatable solutions.

Frankly, the issues of scandals and trustworthiness don't seem to be having a significant impact. Even voters who say they trust Hillary less than they do Bernie still consider the former to have a better chance of winning the general election. It doesn't help that the Democratic establishment is deeply in favor of Clinton.

edited 2nd Nov '15 12:58:31 PM by Fighteer

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#104364: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:07:54 PM

All my liberal friends have basically said they'd be happy with either Clinton or Sanders. Basically, this nomination process doesn't seem to be toxic, which is great for the party.

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#104365: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:16:48 PM

For me, I want Bernie to win because I really, deeply want the politics that he stands for to be capable of earning a spot in the national election. I want the Democratic Party to adopt unapologetic progressivism. I want a candidate to prove that they can generate a successful campaign without corporate sponsorship or being a 0.1-percenter themselves.

But I would be very happy with Hillary Clinton as well. I know she'll fight for progressive values, I love her poise and her incredible wealth of leadership experience, and frankly, I think it's past time for a female President. She's eminently qualified, perhaps the most qualified person in the entire country. But will she be able to go far enough?

edited 2nd Nov '15 1:17:33 PM by Fighteer

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#104366: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:17:12 PM

Personally it's also nice, that so far, Sanders and Clinton are avoiding mud slinging for the most part, which while 'boring', it makes them look like the adults in the room, so to speak. Kind of hoping that does continue.

(On the other hand, if you're looking for 'entertainment', the Republicans are 'winning' on that end.)

For me, I want Bernie to win because I really, deeply want the politics that he stands for to be capable of earning a spot in the national election; I want the Democratic Party to adopt true progressivism. I want a candidate to prove that they can generate a successful campaign without corporate sponsorship or being a 0.1-percenter themselves.

But I would be very happy with Hillary Clinton as well. I know she'll fight for progressive values, I love her poise and her incredible wealth of leadership experience, and frankly, I think it's past time for a female President. She's eminently qualified, perhaps the most qualified person in the entire country.

That's pretty much my view as well. I like Sanders being the underdog candidate and personally I view him as what I personally stand for, but Clinton's clearly realized that her positions from last time won't hold as much weight.

That said, if Sanders doesn't hit it, we're looking at a former first lady, former governor's wife, former law professor, Arkansas attorney general, former U.S. Senator, and former Secretary of State. She's pretty much the most qualified person in the 2016 race, and possibly in the history of presidential races.

edited 2nd Nov '15 1:22:00 PM by PotatoesRock

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#104367: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:17:58 PM

"Winning", Charlie Sheen style: strung out on drugs and publicly deteriorating, but selling a ton of gossip rags.

edited 2nd Nov '15 1:18:36 PM by Fighteer

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#104368: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:18:15 PM

[up][up] Are you suggesting Charlie Sheen will be the next surprise GOP contender?

[nja] D'oh hoh

edited 2nd Nov '15 1:18:56 PM by Aszur

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#104369: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:19:56 PM

Maybe he'll be kanye's running mate...

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#104370: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:50:39 PM

I am so confused right now. Where'd the Charlie Sheen references come from?

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#104371: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:52:46 PM

You aren't familiar with the Charlie Sheen "Winning" meme? I suppose it may not have made it across the ocean. Look it up; a dry description cannot do it justice. If my research is accurate, the original has to do with the claim that he got booze-free without the help of Alcoholics Anonymous.

edited 2nd Nov '15 1:54:04 PM by Fighteer

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#104372: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:53:36 PM

No, I'm familiar with it. But what brought that up?

It seems out of place here and random.

edited 2nd Nov '15 1:54:05 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

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#104373: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:54:26 PM

Second paragraph of Potatoes Rock's post above. [1] He said that Republicans are "winning" because they are providing huge amounts of entertainment, and we all went straight to Sheen.

edited 2nd Nov '15 1:55:11 PM by Fighteer

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#104374: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:58:16 PM

[up]

Because the Republican debates are "Winning" due to notoriety compared to the Democratic ones.

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#104375: Nov 2nd 2015 at 2:09:11 PM

Ah. Yeah, okay.

Not a very useful metric :P


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